Leadified said:
Shinobi-san said:
You see why i asked the questions i asked? You actually got upset because i asked for clarity on your statement. If you dont even recognise the majority of PC gamers as PC gamers...then hey maybe your statement makes a bit more sense.
Please note what your statement was btw:
"1080p @ 60FPS has been standard on your average PC for years now"
First off i already said that steam stats is not completely accurate why did you feel it was necessary to state it again?
Also you said "for years now" yet you now refering to 2014 stats specifically.
Secondly "your average PC" you wernt even speaking about PC gamers! I thought id throw that in because surely you dont believe that the average PC can run games at 1080p @ 60FPS? Surely not. The average PC most likely is a laptop with onboard graphics. How can you not agree with that?
It also seems like we are completly in disagreement on what a PC gamer is. If you dont include MOBA's, MMO's and other popular free to play games (and im not talking about candy crush? where the hell did that come from) then you basically exclude the majority of pc gamers. Which is literally the first time ive heard that. If we dont even agree on what a PC gamer is then you are right we shouldnt debate this.
1080p @ 60FPS being a standard for PC gaming is NOT the same as 1080p @ 60FPS has been a standard on your average PC. Those are two very different points. One i agree with the other i do not. PC gaming has in general accepted that as a standard but it doesnt mean the average PC is able to achieve that.
The fact that you just equated LoL and Runescape to Candy Crush is...i dont know. Its a first I've seen those games lumped in together apart from them all being free to play. Candy crush and other facebook games really wasnt on my mind when i was writing my post.
The reason why i jumped in the argument was because you statement was incorrect especially without any context. I replied to your post asking for clarity..its not like anywhere in this thread did people redefine what a PC gamer is...
And now you are calling me confused when i already asked you to give some context to your statement. If you didnt feel like it then you should have rather said that...but instead you make as if im the one talking crap..? Wow. For some reason you also seem to think that i was calling you out..? Errr no. I was simple saying that you statement was false and it remains false without you explaining. You still havent given any proof that the AVERAGE PC is capable of 1080p @ 60FPS as a standard. Nothing.
Considering my decent PC specs in my sig...you basically saying im below the average PC because i sure as hell have not been able to achieve 1080 @ 60 FPS with the majority of the games i play. Yet i am indeed a PC gamer and quite an enthusiastic one at that.
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Because Steam stats are one of the only reliable sources of information on the subject, did you even read what I wrote? I was trying to make a point in my previous post and you completely ignore it. Does it matter that I show 2014 stats? It's common sense, it's not like all of a sudden 33% of Steam users use a 1080p resolution over night, again why do you bother to bring that up? Don't be kidding yourself, in you previous post you acknowledged that I am talking about PC gamers, what else do you possiblity think I could be referring to? From the moment I made my reply to you and spent my entire last post making that clear, you choose to ignore it. You asked for clarity and right after completely jumped into your arguement. Uh yeah alright, I can sure tell how much that clarity mattered to you in this discussion. I really question how much of my post you read and I'm covinced you're only here for the sake of argument now. Especially since you now pretend that I said because someone plays a MOBA or MMO they're automatically not a PC gamer, way to miss the point there.
I see no reason to continue this further with you, but I will completely agree on "If we dont even agree on what a PC gamer is then you are right we shouldnt debate this." and leave it at that. Any reply to this point is going to be ignored.
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Any reply to this point is going to be ignored.
There really isnt any need to resort to this. I'v read all your replies. Its also disingenuine when you first make a comment to me and then say that you will ignore my response. I will reply anyways and you can then choose to ignore or not.
We are in agreement as to the role steam stats play. I asked why did you feel it was necessary to repeat what i said. When you claim an average over a prolonged period of time you cant only use the most recent stats. Just looking at the trend of stats for 2014 already shows a trend in better hardware. Imagine that trend of 3 - 5 years. Its not as crazy as your example but its still significant.
Your initial statement is still wrong though because you didnt say PC gamer. But yes you are right, i automatically assumed you were speaking about PC gamers. Either way the statement was still false imo largely because we disagree on what a PC gamer is.
I'm still perplexed why you are willing to ignore posts, call me confused and then claim i am arguing for the sake of arguing. You made a false statement and i corrected you then asked for clarity because you still felt you were right. There was nothing wrong with that. I am/was not attacking you.
Edit: Also the whole MMO, MOBA thing...what exactly is your stance on gamers who mostly play those games? In my opinion they are still PC gamers. You were implying that they are not. Theres no way i was misunderstanding you with that.
