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[DemoniOtaku]

lehamsy said:

Kresnik said:

lehamsy said:

3DS is prove enough that the handheld market is still strong. 

I'd say that the 3DS proves that the handheld market is still "there", but I wouldn't say it's strong.  Not at all.

It's taken everything Nintendo has got - nigh-on every franchise with sales potential in their roster releasing one after the other (at the expense of pretty much ignoring the WiiU); emergency price-cut; two redesigns; aggressive marketing and some strong early-in-life third party support (including some of the PSP's audience) to get the 3DS to where it is.  And where it is looks like about 50% of the sales DS managed, so around 75m or so LT.

Vita could, of course, do much better than it has been doing.  With an emergency price cut like 3DS got; stronger showing of Sony games; another redesign and better (or any) marketing, it could probably have made ~ 35m LT sales (I'm working on the basis of slightly less than half because I'm assuming that the traditionally-Sony-stuff which migrated to Nintendo wouldn't have come back). 

That's not a strong market; it's a formerly strong market (230m) which is rapidly, rapidly diminishing (110m which in actuality is going to be about 90m).

(And yes, I suppose the home console market is going to diminish too, but I imagine not to the extent that the handheld market has collapsed)

Well, you misunderstood me -every one did-. I didn't mean to say. "It's as strong as it was last gen." I simply said, "It's still strong." Maybe not as strong as it was, but I wouldn't say that the 3DS is doing poorly. Maybe it will sell half of what the DS did, but I think it's because the system is not as attractive as the DS was when it first released. Nintendo needs to reinvent the handheld market, otherwise it will disappear.  

If Vita had full support, I think it could sell 25-35m units. Sadly, I think it won't sell more than 15m. 

DemoniOtaku said:

 3DS proves only that there's a market for hanheld nintendo games, look at top sellers on 3DS and there's not a western game, actually 3ds have less western games than Vita, AAA much less... but Pokemon and mario franchises have one of the strongest and loyaltiest fanbase of all the industry... and the range of age for these gamers is pretty wide!

I think western portable games will die with Vita, and only indies and mobile games will remain... sadly is like that..

Well, I wouldn't count Nintendo games as Japanese games because everyone loves them. And all Nintendo consoles -in general- don't have too much third party support, not only their handhelds.

True. I'm complete sure, Vita will be Sony's last handheld, and with it console-like games in handhelds will die. We will have to play those poorly done Gameloft/Zynga/etc games.

 

tpjp said:

 Vita can do even better than Killzone? Why do you say that? Imo unless Sony decides do unlock Vita´s CPU clock like the PSP I dont think it´ll be much better.

 

I remember some early NGP (Vita) tech demos, which were very impressive. That's why I assume, KZ: M doesn't uses Vita's full potential.  

The tech demos of Killzone for NGp looks ugly now copared to KZM.. go and look for it...

 

And about Nintendo games, well, they are japanese, they are popular in the west but ARE GENUINE JAPANESE GAMES!! Like Square-Enix's, CRAPcom, Konami.. is just that those  big companies still have a wide appeal on the west, like I said, they have pretty loyal fanbase, specially pokemon and mario games, people that would be a handheld just to play that.

About Vita needing "AAA" games, I think it need more those big name Japanese games, it would game more mass appeal with a FF, Dragon Quest, Kindom Heart, MGS, Onimusha, Resident Evil, monster Hunter or Silent Hill (Vitas is a spin off on story and gameplay) instead of some ports of western "AAA" multiplatform games. If exclusive better... that's why the rage about FFT-0, because that could have been "THE GAME" that could awake the interest on western people, more if here is Exclusive HD edition without PSP, PS4 or ONE ports... really SONY should have paid for it... -.-