Is there a god?

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Ok then. I'll try to make myself clear now.  

 

 "This is how educated people (admittedly the more educated people are the more they believe what other people tell them) generally talk about things - "If something is true and something else is true..." etc...

(It is ironic that you think that me addressing something in this way means I am ignorant, but you really can't use (what you think) a flaw in my character as suitable argument.. so please try to let the personal attacks stay with you, thanks, in rebuttal... here's an easy one to understand for jesus not healing someone http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_life_of_jesus/canaanite_dogs/mt15_21.html)" -DuncanMcNeil

 

1. When i said "You seem quite ignorant to me" was on the sole basis that you were stating (or implying) that Jesus never existed. Not about my later points.

 

2.  I have no idea what point your trying to make with that link nor does it prove your point or help me understand.  

 

"Here is the fig tree from Mark.

12 And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry: 13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. 14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it." -DuncanMcNeil

 

1.  Next time if your going to qoute from the bible you should include the chapter and verse number in the respective order (ex. 1:1 chapter one verse one). This adds more value to your agrument and is alot easier for me. This is from Mark 11:12-14.

 

2. The whole point of this was to prove Faith. You said for no reason which is wrong. What Jesus ended up saying is this "I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him." The point of all this was to prove Faith. Everything that Jesus did we can do to. But why don't we? Because we lack Faith, and those who do have Faith, are shot down by people like you by saying this kind of "faith" is useless foolishness. And if you believe that he is not God because of this, good for you. I can't change that now can I?

 

 "You're going to have to prove arguments to argue with me, if that's your plan."

We should require the same of you. But we do not, we accept your belief in god, and examine your book.

For over a millennia people have seen the the story of adam and eve as being anti-feminine.

Thinking that anybody who has ever perceived the bible in a different way from you is not Christian is quite a bold statement. Obviously anyone who takes what Jesus says literally is less of a Christian than you are.

A perfect being would know that pi is not 3. Any being - god or otherwise - that says that slavery is right, says that homosexuality is wrong, completely destroys every living being on earth (except for those in a magical boat) is less than me. The truth is - an omnipotent being would be able to make the world better than it is, and would do it in a zero amount of time too. It is logical to think that he does not exist." -DuncanMcNeil

 

1. I too accept your scientifical facts if that's what you mean. But a Theory is a Theory to me. Besides, i'm not trying to convince into Christianity, i'm trying to get you into thinking that the world (Universe) isn't all Science. 

 

2. How is the story of Adam and Eve anti-feminine?

 

3. Thinking anyone who doesn't agree with your full-Evolution (which is really dumb to me) is wrong is a also bold statement. Also, i'm not saying that they are less of a Christian compared to me, i'm saying they are less than a Christian compared to Jesus. Jesus Is, He is the example of perfect Christianity, perfect Humanity.

 

4. How does God say slavery is right? How is homosexuality not wrong? And the fact that you wonder how God can destroy every living being on the Earth shows to me you have no idea who God is.

 

5. So you are saying God can't make the world better? Why would you say that? To make the world better, we would lose our freedom. If that happened you would complain about how you don't see "any being - god or otherwise - that forces life as God's slaves" right, or some other stuff like that.

 

6. It is also logical to think that he does exist. 

 

"Please, believe in your sky daddy, think less logically, and think that the bible is simultaneously written by god and at the same time uses more figurative language than fact. Please be able to keep Christianity and every other religion seperate. Believe that the world and man was created AFTER other civilizations created glue. Please believe that evolution is in public schools because of the devil. AND PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - live without questioning more things. (If you can).

Or you know, think for just 10 GODdamn minutes.

For GOD'S sake the BIBLE uses less fact than one of Swift's parodies." -DuncanMcNeil

 

1, You need to calm down. "Sky Daddy"? come on. You're better than that.

 

2. What are you talking about with this "ancient glue"? Want to elaborate more about what you think i think?  

 

3. Why are you talking about evolution and the devil? You have no idea who your talking to. I'm not one of those average fundamentalists. Look back and see all i've posted and see what you posted. What are you talking about?

 

4. My whole point of posting throughout this WHOLE ENTIRE THREAD was to make people think more. And you're telling me to think for 10 minutes. From the looks of it you need to think. Think for yourself and stop  making foolish assumptions about people. All you've said i've heard from every last person in actuality that i've spoken to like this. You think your some kind of original thinker? Stop acting like you know everything. Nobody does. 

 

5. What's with this capitalization of God? Again, you're better than that.

 

6. In all honesty, Most of the books in the Bible are of factual history, mainly about hebrews and israel. The others are poems and other kinds of literary works, while the remaining are Letters written to other Christians. Where is your lack of Facts? You're quite ignorant. Intelligent, but ignorant.

 

 "Actually sir, the above is indeed a proven fact. We have documented the rise of new species with completely new features from parent species that are 100% incompatible in almost every way with their ancestors. We have seen this not only morphologically like in the Galapogos island birds but also in DNA. Furthermore, we ourselves, come from a ancestral species that is now extinct and there were other forms of "humans" that were strikingly different from us at different points in time as shown by fossile records. There is proof that these sister lineages were indeed intelligent but we simply do not know why they went extinct however some of them did indeed look like other more "primal" mammals such as apes but they were not apes and they used tools." -marc

 

1. I adore your politness even if its intent isn't so kind or rather condesending.

 

2. Please then, prove me the 100% Fact of the evolution of one species to another. Show me the missing link that would prove your point.

 

3. You don't believe that another kind of animal would have developed a brain that wasn't evolved or preevolved or evolutionarily related to humans? Just curious.

 

 "The above makes no sense sir. I am not a gambling man and I believe that gambling is in itself a very bad (perhaps even evil) habit. The more likely scenario regarding why we are similar is because we evolved. Also, when I think about my brain the idea of soul never even enters my mind. This is something that is taught in religion as a means of staying alive after death because people are so afraid of death. I dont want to die any more than anyone else but I am not going to cheapen my life by believing in something out of that fear. There is no such thing as a "soul." This is a human creation to make ourselves feel better about ourselves. Our minds are a result of evolution to protect our bodies. Simple as that. People make the mistake of thinking that our bodies are here to protect us (our minds or our souls)... this is not true. It is the other way around and has been in all documented life. The existence of brain and senses is to keep our bodies alive and healthy which is where our innate reflexes come from. We just happen to have a much higher brain function and it is that which is helping us thrive in the world but as I said above, other human species were not so lucky for whatever reason. We even retain many other odd reflexes that make no sense to have whatsoever. Have you ever heard of the "divers reflex?" This reflex comes from the fact that we were derived from animals that are marine because we sure as hell dont have any use for it ourselves but it is something very important to sea animals so explain to me why this is in our design? Did God just want to cut corners and left that in there out of laziness? Did he run out of time? Or maybe he wanted us to live underwater then changed his mind mid design? Or wait.. maybe one day all humans will become marine and we will all live under the sea with Shamu the little mermaid... we are royally screwed if thats the case however." -marc

 

1. i'm loving your comedy, it brightens things up i should say. 

 

2. You and me have different thoughts now do we? You feel we are just highly evolved beasts of nature right? And i believe that we are Natural Beings of Reason. We are seperated from the beasts of the earth, so much that the things that we can do are hardly considered natural. We have a sense of reason, thought beyond mind and matter, not for the benifit for our bodies, but for the benifit for of ourselves. What good is fear for our bodies? What good is the capacity to overcome fear for our bodies? What good is it to think beyond the Universe for our bodies? In fact, for me the whole point is to overcome my body. Overcome peversion, overcome hunger, overcome thirst, overcome doubt, overcome all the things of the flesh for the things of the spirit. The Flesh is for the Spirit and that is my answer to you. We think differently, and that's ok. But don't think your right to come and bash other people's beliefs. That gets close to ignorance. And sir, to talk about God that way, is complete foolishness. You obviously don't see God the way i do. 

 

* ugh i'm tired. I guess i'll have to finish my thoughts later. But please, don't let your flesh control you. When you have control over your flesh, that your spirit, which is you, your soul, (your soul is you, your spirit is the mind of your soul) you'd be able to see life in a whole new (and most likely better) way. And I'm not saying for you all to be Christians (which would be so awesome), but i'm saying not to get lost in Science. Let Science and Nescience, the Physical and Spiritual, hte Scientist and the reverend co-exist. It's not impossible.