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soulfly666 said:
mornelithe said:
DamnTastic said:
the fuck is punkbuster

It's basically a 3rd party hacking/cheating detection application, that many PC games use to police servers.  It's constantly updated, and when you're added to the master ban list, your IP is effectively fucked.

If you're getting PB issues and you haven't cheated, there's something you need to update, basically.  Personally, I love it.  I've never had an issue with PB that wasn't my fault.  For example, I used to frequent a Sniper's only server in CoD 2 that used a different UI and had wider angle scopes than what the game normally allows.  Whenever I went to the One X servers, I'd have to make a few alterations and turn PB off.  Whenever I wanted to go back, I'd have to revert the alterations back to normal, and turn PB back on.

It's a really helpful app, imo.  There're so many cheaters out there on PC (and console for that matter), since most MP games don't have client side admin tools, you have to wait for some asshole at EA/Ubisoft/Activision etc... to get off their asses and do it for you.  PB takes care of the 'known' hacks/transgressors.


Something like what he described is the perfect example of how someone could get banned that isn't actually cheating, because they forgot to turn off server specific functionality when rejoining back to a vanilla server.  For every 1 occurence of this there are 750-1000 (just a guess) legitimate hacking bans that PB hands out.  Also, something like what he described would never get you a Global permaban stopping you from playing an entire game.

Right yeah sorry, you don't get added to the Master Ban list unless you really were doing something bad.  The One-X alterations to scopes and such would merely get you bumped off the vanilla servers until you reverted the altered files back to their original state.

And PB is absolutely vital, to PC gaming.  As you say for every instance of a person being bumped for non-cheating reasons, there are many many more getting bumped for actually cheating.  Really wish they'd give back admin tools though, Punkbuster catches most hacks, but it's updated by reports, which means if you have a cheater on the server you're playing on that isn't part of PB yet, you have to suffer through it.  Used to love nuking those cocksuckers on my CoD 2 servers.