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thismeintiel on 05 June 2014
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Seece said:
MDMAlliance said:
Seece said:


This. By the end of the gen XB1 will be ahead by tens of millions.


Assuming the changes they're making is sufficient enough to actually boost the XB1 out of its current predicament and that the Wii U fails to do so.  

It will. There is a huge PS3/360 userbase and we're not gonna see PS2 sort of dominance from PS4, MS have too much for that to happen again.

They're not going from an 90m (eventually) install base to something like 20m when they're offering a viable product for PS3/360 owners to upgrade too. Especially as they continue to eliminate reasons to get a PS4 over XB1. Better multiplatform games (never stopped PS3 doing well) is not going to overcome Microsoft and their wallet.

WiiU on the otherhand will not react to any of Nintendos efforts because the problem is with the system itself not having a clear demographic to aim at.

How many examples in history do you guys need before you realize MS can't spend their way to domination/success?  Zune?  Bing?  Windows Vista/8?  Tablets/phones?  Heck, we had an example just a few months ago; Titanfall.  MS threw money at EA for exclusivity on MS platforms, with the overwhelming focus of advertising on the One.  Paid for tons of advertising.  You couldn't go two commercial breaks without seeing an ad for it.  Then, before its release, MS subsidized a $50 price cut at every major retailer PLUS packaging the game for free.  What does their wallet have to show for it?  Obviously, nothing to brag about, cause they still haven't released how many copies sold on the One.  AND they were still comfortably beaten by the PS4, WW and in the US.  If the consumers think the One is a 20M-30M console, that's exactly where it will end up.

And if you think MS is going to spend money like it did during the OG XB and 360 days, think again.  They have big investors starting slight rumbles with talk of a spin-off or selling of the Xbox brand, since it still hasn't been profitable, overall, and they probably see the way this gen is playing out.  They don't want MS throwing money down a hole, just to come in a distant 2nd.  And we have even had Gates, himself, say he would be fine with a spin-off of the Xbox brand.  While they may never do it, they are at least seriously discussing it as an option.  And after the gap has grown as large as it will this year (anywhere from  ~6M to 10M, depending on how the holidays/game announcements play out), companies are going to be demanding more money from MS if they want the game exclusive, true or timed.

@ OP

If you had asked me earlier this year, I would have said it would be the One in 2nd, definitely.  Now, I'm not so sure.  The Wii just added 135K to the lead it has on the One (if this weeks numbers are true.)  The One will have to outsell the Wii U by 10K (about what it did last week) for over 3 months to make that up.  If the One price cut does little to no effect, and if Nintendo plays their cards just right ($249 price, plus another system seller or two, for the holidays), I can definitely see them securing 2nd.  Mainly, the people who are are interested in the One will also be interested in the PS4, and will discover that it is more powerful and has better multiplats with very little research.  The Wii U, however, interests people for reasons other than next gen graphics and the best 3rd party support, mainly Nintendo franchises and family friendly games.