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QuintonMcLeod on 05 June 2014
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Yakuzaice said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

I did read your post. I just didn't need to give you a long drawn out response, because it's evident that you're very confused.

1) My first post wasn't geared to you. It was in response to another post. So, obviously it's not going to be broken down so you (specifically) can understand.

2) I've broken down my meaning multiple times. I'm trying to clarify it for you now, and you're still trying to make sense of my older posts.

3) I've posted two links so far clarifying what I'm trying to say. Apparently you've neglected to check out both links. I can't help you if you refuse to check the sources in which I'm formulating my opinion.

4) There have been 5 Tales games that have not been released on Nintendo systems outside of Japan. That's right. Five. Then there's two others that are coming out that do not have any indication of being released on Nintendo platforms, period. If that isn't a clear indication, then I don't know what is. To me, it feels as though you fail to see the forest for the trees. Check out my links and form your own opinion. If you disagree, fine - but don't throw out my opinion because you failed to do your own research.

2. I'm trying to clarify the meaning of your other posts because you change your arguments and then say that I am confused.  The strangest one was where you tried to make out DotNW selling significantly less than Xillia in the west as a win for DotNW.  Especially after your previous claim about how much better Tales games sell on Nintendo systems in the west. 

3.  Your first link merely said Symphonia was the most successful Tales game in the west and gave some reasons why.  It didn't say Namco refuses to release Tales games on Nintendo systems in the west.  If you follow through to the Destructoid article, he does mention that their main audience is Japan.  This supports what I have been saying about Graces.  Considering DotNW didn't do that well in the west, Graces didn't do that well in Japan, and the Vesperia port sold great in Japan, it made sense for Namco to focus on getting Graces out in Japan on the PS3 rather than a western release for the Wii version.  They managed to get the Japanese PS3 port out in less than a year.  It took a further 15 months to release in the US on PS3 and nearly two years to come out in Europe.  By that time Wii sales had fallen off.

Your second link was that half hour youtube video.  You are crazy if you expect someone to sit through thirty minutes of some random person on youtube to supplement your argument.

4. I think the PSP alone has five Tales games that weren't released in the west.  I don't think any of the PS2 games got a full western release (for some reason VGC has European sales for Legendia, but it doesn't seem to have been released there).  The PS3 has one that didn't come over, and it wouldn't surprise me if Zestiria doesn't make it.  The PS3 will probably be dead in the west by the time it would.  Chances seem pretty slim that Innocence on the Vita will come over.

I'm not sure which two games you are talking about.  The only two I know coming out are Zestiria and Reve Unitia.  Zestiria shouldn't matter since your argument was about Nintendo platform Tales games getting released in the west, not Nintendo platforms getting Tales games.  Reve Unitia is coming to a Nintendo platform, but hasn't been announced for the west as of yet.  If you mean the western releases of Xillia 2 and Hearts, I'm not sure what you would expect.  Xillia 2 wasn't on a Nintendo platform to begin with, and the DS is pretty much dead (so is the Vita, but at least if that release did well they'd have more of a chance to capitalize on it with subsequent games).


2) Let me make my point clear, ok? Namco refuses to release Tales games on Nintendo systems in the west _despite_ the fact that Tales games sell great on Nintendo systems in the west. <--- This is my point.

2.a) Xillia sold only 50k more than DotNW in NA. This means both games sold relatively the same in the west. Xillia sold a little less than 90k more in Europe than DotNW, but that doesn't make DotNW a flop. Nor does it mean Tales games don't sell on Nintendo systems. Actually, it's quite the opposite. Tales of Xillia still hasn't outsold Tales of The Abyss in NA; which is a 3DS game - a PS2 port. In fact, the 3DS version outsold the PS2 version.

3) Baba said the Symphonia _series_ was the most successful. He's including both games.  Also, no one said that the article mentions anything about Baba saying Namco refuses to release Tales games on Nintendo systems in the west. Saying "Namco refuses" is simply my opinion based on circumstantial facts which I am bringing to your attention now. I've seen 5 Tales games released in the west not come on a single Nintendo platform. There's 2 more Tales games on the horizon and there isn't a single Nintendo platform on Namco's radar for either of those two games. What other conclusion is there to draw here?

3.a) That Youtube video isn't some random guy. He is the founder and editor-in-chief of Playeressence.com

4) There have been a total of 14 main Tales games released ever. 9 have been released in the west, and only 4 have been released on Nintendo systems in the west. Tales of Zestiria is in development for the PS3 only. Tales of the World is a spinoff. Xillia 2 is not planned for a Nintendo console release.

4.a) Just because a Tales game wasn't originally released on a console, doesn't mean its sequel(s) can't also. Tales of Graces f is a good example. So is the Tales of Symphonia series. 

4.b) There has been at least one Tales game released on the PS2 in the west.

I can tell you haven't done much research on this issue. I suggest you look up some of the things you're saying. Also watch that youtube video so you're at least somewhat educated on the issue I'm debating here.