Torillian said:
FromDK said:
Torillian said:
FromDK said:
The last thing to point out.. is piracy.. the most pirated console has always won (ps1, ps2, wii, ds) and homebrewers can do a lot of nice things with the power and second screen on WiiU.
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Don't you think you're reversing the true causality there? Isn't it more likely that the most popular console (the winner) is the one most pirated because it's the most popular, and not the other way around?
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It has a effect offcourse.. But no i don't think so.. :)
PS1.. it had no games (other than wipeout) and almost all i know back then had either (or waited to buy it) N64 or Saturn.. IN the momement when we could get a chip for ps1.. All wanted a ps1
PS2.. could had won whitout the chip.. (and saturn was chipped to) but it did'nt hurt is saleswise thats 100% sure
Wii.. Wii was a litle the same.. and i bet a lot of the wii's sold after usb load/hack was out, was becourse of that
DS.. same DS would not hat reached 100 mill, if it wassent so easy to pirate..
I'm in that believe that pirates can really help a console.. it generate a lot of HW sale.. and some games too (buy it real or we ban you.. ms) or if the game is really good and have "extras"
But the biggest "piracy sells games" is that a lot more people see the machine and games, and like it, and are not pirates them self (i think a lot of DS was sold that way)
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I think your analysis is colored by your opinions on the PS1. I doubt most would agree with your assessment that the only game it had of worth was Wipeout. I guess the only way to get a decent handle on this would be to get a record of when these consoles were hacked and what their sales were compared to the competition at that point. I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of those consoles were already winning their respective generations before being hacked, and that's actually why they were the most likely to get hacked, because of the popularity. But until we have some records of when these hacks occurred it's really all just conjecture.
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I was there :)
And believe me when i say.. i liked the ps1 a lot.. And i had all the (good) games for it) Wipeout, ridgeracer.. metal slut, MK and also got crash (i liked that very much) but compared to N64 and Saturn not that much.. and as i say.. the turning point.. not only saleswise, but also good "presswise" was the chip.
But i don't want to go in a big argue on piracy.. just staing that there are a lot of "gamechangers" waiting to happen yet. (The point was that it's to early to judge who will win this gen)
Richard_Feynman
You don't think pirates has the effect.. it's ok..
And sorry for the spelling (i'm danish) hope you get the point :)
