The creativity x techniques achievement discussion.

[DonFerrari]

F0X said:

DonFerrari said:

F0X said:

Technical achievement is not as easily measured and compared than you make it seem. Yes, Infamous: Second Son is more technically advaned than Mario Kart 8 overall when speaking as objectively as possible... but then again, it's not running at a stable 60 frames per second. When one game has a technical feature that another doesn't, then there is room for subjectivity in technical discussion. You may call it a weak excuse, but it's not actually irrational justification.

To compare a simulation of let's say 120k polygons at 30 fps with dozens of enemies against a 10k model at 60fps with fewer things on the screen doesn't make 60fps on Mario better than 30 fps in Infamous. If we were discussing DR3 multitude of enemies making the fps drop bellow 20fps the excuse of too much on screen is valid, cutting everything to 1/3rd and achieve 60fps wouldn't make any player happier.

And as a lot of people in the forum have posted and I tend to agree, 1080p and 60 fps are more buzzword in the graphics department than the sole reason for a good graphic, the effects are more important... it is basically, models/textures/effects 1st, resolution second, framerate depending on gameplay needs.

Let's not forget and Mario Kart and Infamous are different games with different needs. Racing games benefit more from, at the least, stable framerates with 60fps being ideal for gameplay (particularly multiplayer) purposes. Would Mario Kart 8 be a better game at 30fps but better overall effects? I think you'll at least have a divided consensus over the answer to that question.

However, I agree with you that people who are saying that Nintendo has the best-looking games of this generation... probably haven't even played enough games to fairly reach that conclusion. Yet, I think you're going about your argument in the wrong way. The whole Harry Potter/Ulyssees analogy is so extreme that I'm not sure it's even applicable to a Flappy Bird vs. Crysis discussion! Literature isn't even a visual art form and the line between technical ability is creativity is more blurry since it's depedant on a rather malleable ruleset, not physical technology with more well-understood and evolving capabilities and limitations.

Well you called both games to say Mario Kart trump over Infamous because of framerate making it not clear cut the discussion of graphic prowess. But yes I do accept that for most gameplay (and its needs, framerate or other aspects) is more important than graphic. This is the reason I said that I was just discussing graphics not aestethic or gameplay (and besides refining the code to hit 60 fps it isn't exactly a graphic measure, just a "speed measure").

As I said before as well if someone says Nintendo X or Y game is the most pleasant he ever seen I wouldn't discuss because that is a taste/opinion thing (as I said I wouldn't discuss the prefference of art direction), but to say that it tops a PS4/X1 graphic is just plain silly and the arguments are usually weak. I don't think the analogy is extreme, it's just that both books have value and HP can please a lot of people (as Nintendo games do) but it isn't a better book than Ulysses even if less people like it (And in this case, most PS4/X1 games are graphically more impressive than any Nintendo game, but a lot of them wouldn't be pretty or pleasant).

Literature is a visual art form in the subjective part, a well written book (like Machado the Assis and other "realistic era" books) make you really see the ambient, clothes, face and everything else described with plenty of details - and for me that is one of the downfall of books after that time... most authors don't even invest much time on describing because they think tv does it better. I do agree that we can't say HP is more creative than Ulysses, but we can't deny that Ulysses have a better technical achievement than HP.