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Scisca said:
Sharu said:To sum up, you've found a lot of excuses on a fact that in 1938 Poland together with Hitler took part in dividing another country and its OK for you.

But the 'Crimean annexion' (which was a part of Russia for several hundred years, populated by Russians and taken after a referendum and without any blood) is a 'Bloody tyrant Putin's crime'? 

I love your double standarts... ))))

 

Dude, stop with such "smart" lies and insinuations! We didn't do a single thing together with Hitler. Hitler started to take Czechoslovakia, so we decided to act and get back our territory and our people. We didn't do it together with him. We did it, because of what he was doing - and that is a major difference. I think I don't have to prove what kind of a man he was? Now you look and see that an area, that you just lost a couple years ago, which is populated by your people and which is about to fall into the hands of such a maniac - you're just gonna sit on your hands? There was no Czechoslovakia to really speak of at that point in time. To me that was responsible taking care of your citizens and taking back what was stolen from you in the first place. You calling it "occupation of Czechoslovakia" is just ridiculous. Why are you giving us so much heat about taking back an area populated by us, but aren't giving anything to the Czechs for invading it and taking away from us in the first place? Just ridiculous. It was a typical "an eye for an eye" with them starting it. We were fighting with Russia - they invaded us. Germany was annecting them - we stepped back in. Yet now somehow we are the bad guys? For taking back what was stolen from us? Be serious. We didn't take anything that wasn't our in the first place, so your accusations of an occupation or of dividing a country are pure BS. If anyone should be getting heat for this conflict - it's the Czechoslovakians, who cunningly put a dagger in our backs and stole the area from us.

The diffence in Crimea is huge. The times are different. Ukraine never stole or conquered Crimea from you. The country isn't falling apart or disappearing from the map unless you decide to destroy it. There was nothing happening to Russians living in Crimea, no threat to them whatsoever. You just decided to invade a sovereign country and take away a part of it. "Just like the good old days".

If you want to know my stance on Crimea - I believe it "should" (in an ideal world) belong to Turkey, they are the true people of the region. But since it's a part of Ukraine - it should stay there. This really opens up the Pandora's Chest, considering that the rest of Ukraine is traditionally Russian and Polish and probably only Kiev and its surroundings are really Ukrainian. I don't think we need that kind of conflicts back.

 

Oh, it's funny how speak of "Crimean annection" and "occupation of Czechoslovakia" :)

Wow, wow, calm down... 
First, I didn't call it occupation. To be honest, I'm not an expert in those things and I'm not care much not about Poland, not about Czechoslovakia (exept for their hockey team was much stronger when they was an united country.)
Second, Ukraine IS falling apart, and you have to be blind to not see it. 
Third, hard times ahead for everybody. I have a feeling that Europe map will see a lot of changes next 10-20 years ...
Fourth. Have respect to other people. I didn't speak anything bad about Poland or about Polish people. And I can't understand why is it so important for you to attack everything Russian. It seems like some very personal psychological problems. But please, don't bring it to the game forums, discuss it with your doctor.