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Burek said:
I started reading this out of curiosity, because being European I just cannot comprehend the obsession Americans have with their guns.
I simply cannot comprehend the situation in which everyone is safer because everyone has guns. To me it's paradoxical.

It seems that almost every month we see and read some person in the US going nuts and killing a bunch of people. This guy - sure, he stabbed some - but he still had enough guns to finish what he started.

By the way, I didn't notice that any civilian who had a gun had jumped in to intervene and stop the killer. As a matter of fact, come to think of it, almost all shooters either in the end kill themselves, or the police shoots them.
So where are all those "legal" gun owners, needing 3 pistols and 2 shotguns for defense, when stuff like this occurs?

From my perspective, it's just hypocrisy. People claim they need guns for defense, but they never end up using them in defense, only in "offense" when they need to shoot unarmed people. I guess it's just a need to feel important, to personally feel empowered, but without any courage to actually defend themselves, and especially other defenseless human beings, when the need arises.

I am pretty sure that most of those gun proponents buying weapons to defend themselves from the evil government would crap their pants at the first sight of a tank or when faced with a trained military unit.
And especially today, when a soldier in Houston or Phoenix can sit in his armchair and kill a person in Yemen or Pakistan at the touch of a button. An assault rifle sure did protect that Pakistani guy.

Anyway, discussions like these are pretty much useless, nobody's opinion will be changed in the end. We can just hope that the next time a gun owner "snaps", we are not in their vicinity.

I could be wrong but most mass shootings happen in gun free zones, the sandy hook was gun free, the movie theatre was gun free. But the other problem is the ones that get stopped dont make national or international head lines. do a search and you will find plenty.

 

on the second part, i am sure most would, but they sure as hecked helped Bundy defend his land. Having guns makes it harder for the federal government to take your land because they would have to kill you, and that is hard. Where as with no gun, they can just come and put you in a camp and you can die out of sight, much easier to convince people to take an unarmed populace than an armed one. Not to mention the bad press that would be blasted all over the internet and world when the feds start shooting their own citizens.

 

http://nakedlaw.avvo.com/crime/8-horrible-crimes-stopped-by-legal-gun-owners.html

 

http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/23/here-are-three-gun-owners-who-stopped-crime-and-saved-lives-courtesy-of-the-second-amendment/