Santa Barbara Massacre: To Hell With Facts

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SlayerRondo said:

novasonic said:

Owning a weapon that can kill people with the twitch of a finger is not a right, and it wouldn't lead to real rights being revoked. The fact that some people believe that is mind boggling. Unless you live in the sticks and need to fight off animals, there is simply no valid reason for you to need one.

Real rights are being taken from us constantly, and there may come a day when people will need guns to defend themselves not just against each other but against the government, and I wish to be prepared for that day or have my decendants be prepared.

You yourself indicated that there are assholes out their who I'm guessing are not going to care to much for the prohibition of guns and I would therefore like a gun to defend myself from them.

Also as indicated by this story would you also support the banning of knives as three people were killed by them? Hell your far more likely to die in a motor vehicle accident then die is a shooting massacre.

Have you also considered what the impact of 3D printers will be given the even in the earlt stages of the technology being introduced, they can print working guns? How will you stop people from possessing firearms when all they need to do is print one out. In that scenario where it is practically impossible to stop lunatics from possessing guns, I would much rather be armed to defend myself rather than hoping I dont find myself in trouble.

And you dont support banning guns, you support a gun monopoly in the hands of the state.

Thinking that there is some intrinsic human right to gun ownership is a believe borne out of very specific contemporary circumstances unique to the United States that lack even a tenuous link to the reality of modern life today.

Simplified, at a time when it took 30 seconds and complete concentration to load a single bullet into a gun, it was felt that citizens owning weapons was an effectivd deterrent against foreign invasion and Government overreach.

With or without massive gun ownership it is ridiculous to think anyone is going to invade America. Furthermore, the use of guns against the government is only conceivable for crackpots, in a country that otherwise has world-leading civil liberty protections. If such a situation did arise, overwhelming numbers would quickly result in government victory, simply with more death on both sides.

I have already dealt with the scientific fact that criminals being criminals (which would include illegal 3D printing of guns) in no way negates the benefits of strong gun control.