Microsoft is winning me over.

[naruball]

DarkD said:

naruball said:

I see. In that case, you most certainly cannot guarantee that Sony had similar plans,as you stated. As I suspected. 

Of course Sony forced MS to drop their initial policies. That does not mean Sony did have similar plans. 

Yes, this is a forum and we make predictions and have theories. However, it's one thing to present a theory and a completely different to say "I guarantee it", since you have absolutely no evidence to support this. Had an EA representative said "Sony ensured us that they would have x policies and then change their minds", then you would have a case. At the moment, there is nothing to suggest that. 

As for the exclusives. Piss poor? Well, you're entitled to your own opinion, but just because you find these games "piss poor", it doesn't mean that it represents the general consensus. It's also not a proper argument. Because following this logic I can call anything I want as "garbage" and get away with it. "MS exclusives? Meh. They all suck" (based on what?). The only game that could be considered "piss poor" is Knack. Killzone and Infamous have had overall positive reviews. And that does not even include non-retail games that are considered excellent (such as resogun). Again, just because you don't like them, it doesn't mean they're "piss poor".

Here's what's factually incorrect with your previous post. Please read again what you wrote:

"I don't know if Sony can even recover at this point"

"I think Sony stabbed third parties in the back this gen"

"Either third parties have no choice but to go back and develop for Sony, or they continue throwing tonnes of exclusives at Microsoft"

Please give some examples of Third parties turning their back on Sony. Which third party game is not being released on ps4 which could be interpreted as them turning their back on Sony? Which are these "tonnes of exclusives" that  they will  continue  throwing at MS?
Titanfall? A game funded by MS? Sunset Overdrive? A game funded by MS? Which tonnes of gameS are you talking about? 

Had you said that about wiiu, it would make sense. Most Ea games are skipping wiiu. To my knowledge not a single game is not being released on ps4 that is not part of a deal that MS has made with a developer. 

So what exactly do you mean by "go back" and "recover"? They never left. 

Found this after 3 seconds of looking.  

http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-changed-playstation-4-drm-policy-after-xbox-one-outrage/

this is after one minute of looking 

http://www.edge-online.com/news/e3-2013-drm-free-ps4-is-a-pr-play-expect-similar-policies-across-both-consoles-say-sources/

So now we have Edge a respected media outlet and PS4daily.com a sony fanboy website saying the same thing...  

Sony exclusives being piss poor is not an opinion.  There have been major complaints with every exclusive so far...  I don't actually think theres a single exclusive yet that Sony can hang their hat on and say "this is why you want a PS4."  Their best game scores at the low 80s on metacritic.Hell, the highest rated games are ones that no one even cares enough to mention.    

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4

Everything at the top is either borrowed from other platforms or indie.  With the exception of an MMO you can get on the PC and a baseball game.  I wouldn't call either of those system sellers.  Especially since you a hardcore Sony fan don't care enough to mention the PS4's best games, why should I count them.  

Those three quotes of mine don't have a factual statement in them.  They all start out with terms similar to "I think".  Please look up the word think and fact in the dictionary.  You can come back when you no longer believe those two words represent the same thing.  

Here's a fact check of my own so you can learn to argue properly.  

One if a person states something as fact then you can counter it with counter-evidence of your own.  

Two if nothing has been stated as fact, you can state your own opinion on what will happen and why you think that.  

All I did was represent an opinion which I feel strongly about.  You haven't disproven a damn thing so stop acting like you have because it's physically impossible until E3 comes around.  

Lovely response. The two links you provided prove absolutely nothing. It's all speculation.They provise no evidence to support their claims. And what does a site being Sony fanboy do with the validity of their statements? I'll tell you what. Nothing.

From the three sentences I quoted, in one you use "I think" and the other two in no way are stated as an opinion. Take your own advice and try using a dictionary yourself:

"I don't know if Sony can even recover at this point"

"Either third parties have no choice but to go back and develop for Sony, or they continue throwing tonnes of exclusives at Microsoft"

They both suggest that third party support has been affected. It has not been affected at all from any exclusives on xb1 not coming to ps4. I love how you keep ignoring the fact that you stated that 3rd parties have thrown tonnes of exclusives at MS. That IS a factually incorrect statement because there hasn't been a single one released and not funded by MS. Once again, which are these exclusives? All you have to say is that you were wrong, because you clearly were. Maybe that's too much to ask though.

As for your claim that the ps exclusives are piss poor, you failed to defend it. Infamous being in the 80s and Killzone in the 70s suggest that they are good games. Not brilliant, but by no means piss poor. As for the ports, indies and games like The show, you might not be interested in them, but others are. Whether they meet your definition of "system sellers" or not, it doens't make them "piss poor".