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twesterm on 24 March 2008
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cleveland124 said:

twesterm said:

Less big brother? Please don't start the crap. They didn't install the red light cameras so they could watch you sign to bad 80's music in the car, they installed them so people wouldn't run red lights.


So is the 80's music bad or is my signing bad? Because I'm going to win American Idol 12. I've just got to practice a bit more.


 It's probably a bit of both. 

And it's true there are idiots that stop suddenly, but that's because they're driving 30 over the speed limit anyways which is hardly the governments fault. If you're driving the speed limit or even 10 over the speed limit you have plenty of time to stop for the red light. People just need to pay attention and not drive double the speed limit.

Strongly disagree. There was some study some time back that said that the yellow at red light cameras lasted half as long as normal lights. Additionally, my best friend is a cop, and he says that if you are in the intersection and the light turns red, then you didn't run the light. Now with the shortened time and the uneasiness with the camera you quickly get to yellow=red at a red light camera. I was actually on a interview and the driver locked up the breaks to avoid going through a yellow because it was a red light camera. Now you would say this individual was an idiot, I believe that individual was being cautious surrounding an uncertain event./quote]

Wow, you have a friend that's a cop?  I guess that would make you right except I have two friends that are cops so that automatically makes me better, right?  And as for your example, the driver should have been driving the speed limit.  I generally drive 5-10 over the speed limit and I've never had a stop light that I have trouble stopping at, but then again I actually pay attention when I drive.  Go figure.

[quote]And I would think this article does prove they do work. People aren't running red lights because they know they're getting a ticket. I don't know about where you live but idiots use to pretty frequently run red lights down here and now I very rarely see it and those places I do see it are the intersections that don't have cameras yet. Anybody that says these don't work and are just some tool to spy on the people are...well I shouldn't say since I'm supposed to be resonsible and all.

If they work, pony up the money, get the support get them paid for. However, I'd rather my money go to police, fire, roads, infrastructure, some of the other things the government has to accomplish.

If they work?  Read the article again: the do work.  And if these are doing the same thing as the police (and better) why wouldn't you want money to go to them?  Additionally, I would rather my local police stop actual crimes than have to worry about people running red lights. 

So yeah, take your big brother bullshit somewhere else. Red light cameras aren't some evil plot, they actually are there to stop peopel from running lights, they do work, and the city taking them out to get more money is bullshit.

When I see a spade I call it a spade. If you didn't want me to respond you should have put at the title only people that agree with me can respond. There still isn't much information that these do save lives and there definately wasn't very much information when cities decided to dive into these. So they based their decision on money and sold the "saves lives" part to the community.

Once again: READ THE ARTICLE.  Unless you don't agree that people that run lights endanger lives, you can't disagree that the amount of red light running fines have dropped dramatically therefore it is saving lives.

This isn't about some big brother is watching you crap, it's the city would rather have money than have a system that actually works.