mai said:
My argument is plain obvious, I've stated in the first post on the matter. It's a provocation, red armbands are probably have no connection to either of the groups. The main culprit is the same who's likely behind the mass murders in Kiev this February, Parubiy. He was in Odessa three days before the events btw. This is hardly proves his involvement, but I'm absolutely dead certain about this being a provocation made by officials, not an accident.
I'm not sure what you mean by "grain taken", you have to be more specific and terminologically correct, but this doesn't even matter. This is pointless discussion unless you start addressing points I made in responce to Badassbab, there's really many of them, but enough to debunk his "deliberate genocide" suggestion. Otherwise this is exactly "...whole day deconstructing..." |
Not sure why you think any of your points actually prove your point, their isn't anything TO refute.
As for grain taken... I'm not sure how much more terminologically correct I could be... but sure...
The soviets took food from the Ukraine during the famine, blacklisted villigaes that couldn't produce enough, basically causing them to die, and a whole other list of henious shit.
This can be shown by the fact that the famine basically only hurt those who provided the soviet union with the most food in the first place.
Assuming you take the low end of the casualties... (as would be my guess) simply by not requisitioning the grain in the first place, basically nobody would have died.
If Holomodor wasn't the government's fault, and Stalin wasn't targeting the Ukranians, why did he make sure they all stayed in the Ukraine, covered anything up, and killed anyone who talked about it?
Why was it a crime to mention it happened, regardless of who or what you blamed?
Generally it doesn't take 50 years for a government to admit when people die to a third party event.
