Why is it hard to believe that third parties are biased against Nintendo?

[impertinence]

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

impertinence said:

Please consider this short list of assumptions and biases in your post that are getting away of what you are trying to say:

1. That there is a systematic bias against Nintendo in the video game industry doesn't mean that all actors in the market are biased against Nintendo

You have not defined what you think a systematic bias is. You also beleive there is signficant bias against Nintendo as a fact, coming from the jump in logic of people having biases.

2. Your assumption that I think a decission is wrong if it goes against the interests of Nintendo

Where is this assumption?

3. Your assumption that if a decission can not be proven to be harmful to the company, it can't be said to have been biased

So you have the magical ability to discern bias despite not actually attending any of the meetings. You must have an amazing ability to see into the hearts of men and women and lay out there desires before them

4. Your failure to consider the examples of bias that has already been provided in this thread by myself and others.

Your examples are inconclusive and prove nothing. The fact that you beleive that these decisions are indicative of the things that devs "say" shows that. I am always suprised by how much people believe PR statements to be true.

5. Your incorrect assumptions on how my personal bias relates to what you are trying to say.

Your personal bias is why you refuse to examine the question in an objective lens.

I'll make this real easy:

You either accept that bias plays a part in every single decission that is made in any company or individual in the world at any time, or you hold on to the classic economy theory that the market is made up of rational agents acting in their best interest.

Oh your giving me ultimatums now? I'll repeat my stament again so that you aren't confused. I have never said that bias has no effect in decisions. So I am not even arguing against the idea that bias plays a part. I'm talking about in this specific circumstances considering Nintendo and Multiplat Developers, that (any bias that isn't significant enough to override the rationality of the decision, NOT the rationale behind the decision, cannot be observed by outsiders) <- a definition. This is something that can be used to back up claims.

The past 20 years has shown that the classic understanding of the market is incorrect, in fact recent research shows that even our very perception of things are highly subject to bias. It is inescapable.

Not debating that.

Even when people think they are crunching all the right numbers and doing all the right analysis to make a decission, the methods they use and what they see in the results, even what they remember is colored by bias. The best we can hope to do is to accept that we are biased and realize that we can not make a perfectly rational decission ever. There is the core of our discord, you are arguing based of a classical understanding of the market, but that understanding is pretty much outdated.

AGAIN not debating that.

So, in my dealings here I assume the exsistence of bias in every company as an axiomatic truth. Bias exsists, and it exsist at all levels of decission making. I haven't even bothered to engage you in the fruitless effort to try to claim that you have to show that a decission is subooptimal to prove that it exsists, that work is already done many times over and is clearly available for anyone to find. It has even been referenced for you earlier in the thread.

Are you suggesting that bias is the only force in making buisness decisions? I have NEVER questioned the existance of bias in any of my posts. I have only questioned its significance in this specific instantce.

Considering this, it's not hard to see that there exsist a systematic Nintendo bias in the videogame industry, from consumer to media outlets to publishers to developers there are clear anti Nintendo biases.

Clear to see if you already beleive it to be true

Just to make this very easy for comprehansion, there are also segments of the same market that have a pro Nintendo bias. You can keep pretending that you need proof of this, but you won't get it from me.

Because you don't have it

I know that you already have all the information available to you needed to see it,

Bullshit

I would even guess that you have frequently discussed the various expressions of bias from developers many times on these forums. 

More wrong assumptions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

So, to recap. Bias exsists, it effects all business decissions but to a degree that is insignificant to the rationality of the outcome.

In other words, you are contradicting yourself. What you are trying to assert here is that the market consists of rational agents as their bias has no significance on the decissions they make. This is the classical view of economics like I've said before, and it's also pretty much universally rejected by now. If you want to keep arguing this point, there's lot's of material to draw from, but be warned that there is not much there to help validate your point. Again, this boils down to a disagreement over behavioral economics vs, classic economics and the proof you are looking for is well established if you bother to look for it. Yes, proven using the scientific method that you randomly thought had any relevance to what you were saying earlier.

Your other attempts to try to frame the debate into your weird obsession with logical proof is also absurd as it relies on measurring the rational sense a decission makes. The whole point is that measurring rationality of a decission is extremely difficult, and the more complex the system is the more difficult to impossible it becomes. If there was such a thing as your hypotetical objective 'it makes rational sense' measurments, then people would not make incorrect decissons. Ever. The problem is that the measuring stick doesn't exsist. What appears to make 'rational sense' is ALWAYS colored by bias.

So, again, if you put away your bias that third parties always act rationally when dealing with the Wii U and think about all the things you know about video games, publishers and developers you will be able to find instances of anti Nintendo bias. Here's a hint: you have parroted one of the common anti Nintendo biases earlier in this thread, just a few posts ago. If you can find it, good for you. If you can't, perhaps you are under a little bit of bias blindness.

Another point that might have escaped you: When you have to resort to contradictions, search for the 'hidden' meanings in things and move the goal posts all over the place it might be a sign that you are trying to hard to make an argument fit with your own bias.