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Badassbab on 25 April 2014
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mai said:
Badassbab said:
mai said:

Badassbab said:

Russian imperialism against Ukraine. Ukraine has suffered tremendously under Russian domination and it's no wonder the majority of the population want to look West and join NATO to protect themselves from the corrupt authoritarian Russian bear.

Like what exactly?


1) Russia came to Ukraine as imperialists eager to absorb her into the Russian empire first under the Tsars and then under the Bolshevik USSR. Russian was the lanuguage of the better off and culturally advantaged and Ukrainian was seen as a peasant language. 2) Under Russian led Bolshevism Ukraine went through a terrible famine that killed millions of Soviets including over a million Ukrainians and then under Stalinism many millions more died as a result of the Holodomor.  Russian imperialism (Tsarist/Bolshevik) led to the deaths of millions of Ukranians.

1) What modern Ukrainians have to do with the territories Russsian Empire acquired thorugh that time? Pretty much nothing, no?
2) What bolsheviks have to do with the famine or so called Holodomor? Should Irish people have grudge against the British because of the Great Famine too? or Indians because of famine of 1943 in Bengal? (though all of them did have it, bad examples). As for the millions. What time perioid you are actualy referring to? How many millions?

1. My point is Russia to this very day is treating Ukraine not like a sovereign nation but a country that it needs to keep under it's control and influence.

2. Under the leadership of Lenin, there was the Russian famine of 1921 that killed millions of Soviet citizens including over a million Ukranians. Granted there were a combination of factors that led to this namely the turmoil after the Great War which Russia lost. So you had a revolution, civil war, class confilct, ethnic divisions etc. Parts of Ukraine was forcibly incorporated into the Russian dominated USSR against the wishes of the Ukranians and the famine happened after this event. Holdomor was a Stalin instigated famine. Millions of Ukrainians died. This was a terrible crime against the Ukrainian people.

3. Britain is not treating Eire or India like colonies that it needs to control and keep under it's sphere of influence for national security reasons....unlike what Russia is doing to Ukraine in the year 2014. Both Eire and India are sovereign independant nations and Britain treats them as such. Both countries are free to trade with who they want and decide how best to deal with national security issues without inteference from Britain.