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BasilZero said:

I never said anything about the popularity of the WiiU nor did my post mean anything related to it, popularity of a system means nothing especially if the sales of the software speaks for itself which it does.

The WiiU is failing not because of the lack of quality of the mario games, its failing because of the lack of support from third party devs, the lack of interest in its features despite nintendo fans stating having a tablet controller is a second coming or having a screen separate for maps is godlike, and its failing because it lacks the appeal that its competitors have that includes a combination of features, price and the gaming and media content that is available.

Besides quality is subjective which my post did not focus on - I was talking in the sales sense which Mario obliterates Sonic and there's no denying that. Since you mention 2010 titles....lets see..no better yet lets go back 1 whole gen and include this gen as well (WiiU/PS4/XboxOne/Wii/PS3/Xbox 360/PC/NDS/PSP wise). Only mentioning million sale titles...

This is excluding the Mario & sonic games

Mario Games
-New Super Mario Bros. (NDS) - 29.42 mil
-Super Mario 64 (NDS) - 10.15 mil
-Super Mario 3D Land (3DS) - 9.38 mil
-New Super Mario Bros. 2 (3DS) - 7.42 mil
-New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Wii) - 27.35 mil
-Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) - 11.06 mil
-Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Wii) - 7.20 mil
-New Super Mario Bros. U (WiiU) - 3.85 mil
-Super Mario 3D World (WiiU) - 1.96 mil

Sonic Games
-Sonic Rush (NDS) - 3.08 mil
-Sonic Classic Collection (NDS) - 1.61 mil
-Sonic Colors (NDS) - 1.20 mil
-Sonic Rush Adventure (NDS) - 1.14 mil
-Sonic Rivals (PSP) - 1.40 mil
-Sonic Rivals 2 (PSP) - 1.44 mil
-Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection (PS3) - 1.98 mil
-Sonic Generation (PS3) - 1.24 mil
-Sonic the Hedgehog (PS3) - 1.04 mil
-Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection (X360) - 1.18 mil
-Sonic Generations (X360) - 1.10 mil
-Sonic and the Secret Rings (Wii) - 2.64 mil
-Sonic Unleashed (Wii) - 2.05 mil
-Sonic Colors (Wii) - 1.58 mil
-Sonic & SEGA All Stars Racing (Wii) - 1.28 mil

Edit: My post has nothing to do with downplaying the Sonic franchise - its still one of my most fav franchises despite having a horrible quality line of games like Sonic Rivals and the Wii Sonic games.

Sonic Generations also sold on Steam/PC. Check out Sonic Hits Collection http://store.steampowered.com/sub/26498/. Nintendo doesn't do Mario packs so it's easier to tally their sales. Sega does bundles for your future reference. 29.99 gets you over 10 Sonic games for 29.99 how many Mario games can you get for that price? So comparing these 2 franchises with VGA chartz numbers is rather silly imho without real numbers from both franchsises. I'm also not saying Sonic wins in sales but that the totals are nowhere near correct.

Those Mario sales totals prove my point though that Mario 64 as you pointed out sold around 10 mil, and then another 10 on DS. Galaxy 1 and 2 close to 20 mil together. NDS 3D isometric should stay on NDS not the WIi U. 2D Mario games sell really well when you have a Wii sized install base and not a Wii U sized one so what gives? Platform is what gives, you can't put 3DS type Marios on Wii U and expect killer sales. 2D Marios and 3dS marios do not sell well on the Wii U, and it doesn't help people adopt the console. Mario 64/Mario Sunshine/Mario Galaxy games do. That's most of my point. I also agree with youy that 3rd party is a problem for the WIi U. Nintendo is still the one spearheading the problems imo, and the fact that they don't know what Mario the people on the Wii U is absolutely HILARIOUS for myself being a SOnic fan. It's like Nintendo intentionally wants bad sales this gen and they're doing everything in their power to do so.

Justin Beiber and Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus sell craploads it doesn't mean they're the best artists out now does it? With your logic why yes , yes they are? If you do think that there's no point left for me to make. Except imagine if Nintendo did a digital Mario 10 game pack for 29.99 on the Wii U...imagine that BasilZero, imagine that. Nah they won't get with the times at Nintendo imho.