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binary solo said:
It appears that fewer firearms in circulation means a low murder by firearm rate as evidenced in countries with tight gun laws. And maybe very high ownership rates also reduce murder rates because there is some sort of deterrance at a social consciousness level. Though I'm not sure if high ownership rates has been subject to serious study.

Isn't it still the case that the vast majority of murders are carried out by someone known to and fairly close with the victim? In which case concealed carry probably really has no material impact on these sorts of murders.


Actually, the real problem with these arguments is just that there seems to be little to no global correlation in regards to gun laws versus murder rates, either positively or negatively. Even within the USA, there's a substantial difference between New York (Low) and Illinois (High), despite both being fairly strict.. and also between New Hampshire (Low) and Louisiana (High) which have relatively "loose" gun restrictions.

Even shown in this thread how disputable claims are in both Chicago and Australia. The UK has seen an increase in the murder rate and violent crime rates since banning handguns, and the UK is claimed to be the most violent country in Europe, despite having some of the strictest gun laws across the continent.

The issue being that with such a wide disparity in stats, any "study" is easy to manipulate depending on who's paying for it, simply by picking locations and timeframes that suit their needs.