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theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
SlayerRondo said:

 

 


Actually, it's been my expericne that the ACA plans are far more expensive then non exchange plans due to the subsidies offered for ACA plans.


Which is bad news because a lot of people are ONLY using the ACA website as a source for healthcare information, because they thought it was supposed to be a comprhensive exchange that everything was on.

One of the big defense manuevers of the ACA was to scour basically every single insurer with someone who complained in a news story, to find them a cheaper rate.  (Even then, they weren't that cheap in a lot of cases.)

Something most people don't really have the time for.

ok sure, but then the question becomes, "why was this made in the first place",

Who can it possibly be benefitting if this is all true?

WHy would anyone propose this if everyone is a loser?


Everyone isn't a loser there are two groups of winners as far as insurees go.


Those who have had prexisting conditions who make too much money to be on medicaid.  They will be able to get healthcare without having to wait until they're poor enough for medicaid.

and those covered by the Medicaid expansion which increased what you ould make and got rid of asset and wealth testing.

I actually qualified under that.   before the law while I qualify for medicare based on what i make, i have too many assets in the form of stocks and bonds to qualify for medicare.  Granted while i was happier paying for my own medical care...

Someone 10 or 15 years older might not be able to afford it and instead burn through their saved assets before they could get medicaid.   Essetially penealizing the poor who are smart with their money.

 

Other big winners in Obamacae

 

1) The Insurance Companies.  Honestly, i quite expect they'll hit record profits off the backs of the Healthcare.gov webiste plans.  More specifically, the huge insurance companies who can set themselves up on the insurance exchanges.

Some are suggesting otherwise and plan to raise rates by huge amounts...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-25/obamacare-insurer-wellpoint-sees-double-digit-rate-rise.html

Which if that's true... I got no clue.

 

2)  Doctors.   They were totally against the ACA deeming it more harm then good when it came to patients health... until they were given higher medicaid payments as incentive to support the bill.

 

As for why you'd propose a loser of a program.  Well that's simple, once it becomes obvious Obamacare needs to be fixed... it won't be fixed by just removing it and going back to the status quo.  It's too painful to remove benefits  from people, espiecally people who were getting a raw deal, even if they were an extreme minority.

Republicans can talk about repealing Obamacare all they want, but the truth is, the only way it will get fixed now is by making it more centralized and government run, and getting rid of all the crony capitlism stuff that got it passed.