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mai said:

Kasz216 said:

You haven't proven anything aside you have reading comprehension problems, hence my pic above ;) i didn't had any concept, I had three points to critisize your concept that IRI survey disproves Crimean referendum. Out of those three you're trying to get rid of just one -- precedent of TMR survey and referendum shows that survey and referendum won't always match -- and that point you can't disprove, instead trying to nitpick semantics here.

TMR referendum and survey could be very well both valid. Why? I could just repeat what I've said already -- options differ. Given the situation of TMR and Crimea the people who chose independence in the survey are equally the same people who voted joining Russia as well, this is merely the wording issue that survey splits into different groups, while referendum shows they are the same. What you're trying to do is disregard the question here in its entirety  and to proove that independence doesn't equal joining Russia so people had to vote for this options, which is outright false -- do not consider people in TMR stupid, they are very well aware of what they're voting for. Here it is once again:

"Do you support Transnistrian Moldavian Republic independence policy, followed by free joining of Transnistria to the Russian Federation?"

Have you had understanding of the situation in PMR you'd have known that the whole independence, which it de-facto has already, only means independence from Moldavia at the very least with subsequent (that's the word used in the poll -- "последующее") joining to Russia at best, whatever the actual legal status TMR will have in the federation. That's pretty much the situation with Crimea, had they wanted to be independent just for the sake of it -- they'd have voted for option #2, which is part of the Ukraine BUT realisitcally with wider autonomy that Ukraine ilegally denounced in 1995, so practially indedepdent.


I'm not sure what you mean.  I've disproven all 3.  I think your the one that has the current reading comprehension problem.

There was no middle option to make "defacto" independence real independence.  

Why else do you think they had a dual refferendum, instead of it just being 3 options for 1 question?  They did the same thing in Puerto Rico.  Or do you think Puerto Ricans are dumb?

Split refferendum votes like this are done soley for biasing results so that people will vote yes for one of the two options.  It's done to get rid of the default option that is likely most preferable. 

So according to the TMR poll there was at maxium 6-8% people who would vote No...  where like 2-3% did vote no.

That's well within the margin of error.