Kasz216 said:
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Polling works on a small group but to base the opinions of millions of people on what a couple hundred or couple thousand surely can't be that accurate. They are an indicator and nothing more.
Secondly, North Sea Oil. Do you think UK polticians are going to allow the Scottish to have all the North sea oil if they vote to cede.
What oil? It got mostly squandered away in the 1980s while the Norwegians have stockpiled there half for the future
If the answer is no, (and quite honestly there is no answer but no) then there is zero way for scottland to fund it's government programs. Scottland is more socalist then the rest of the UK, and it relies on the UK's general funds to pay for it. Scotland is a drain on the UK.
And coincidentally because Scotland is so socialist.... Labor and the LDP would never vote for Scotland being allowed to leave... because otherwise this recent blip in Tory power would basically become the long term status quo.
That may be true but those parties have little weight in Scotland (the English have no say). SNP are dominant now with 2/3 of seats in Scottish Parliament since 2007. And if they tried why can't Scotland be like the Scandinavian economies? Those countries are light in industry to say UK or Germany but have very high living standards and are very wealthy. But anyway, a federal Britain would of been better than splitting it up but nevermind.
2) Put simply. No. If they just invaded and annexed Crimea, that turns from a open handed slap to a closed fist to the international community. One which basically everybody including China would need to intervene with.
As I said before it's not worth a war over and I think the fact that China is staying quiet is very wise
3) I'm sure you haven't heard of a lot of ethnic cleansings... they're more common then history likes to admit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars#cite_note-5
I've not looked into Russian/ Ukrainian history in great detail so stuff like this i've never heard of but the 1940's were truly a dark time to live in. It's hard to believe anyone actually liked Stalin.
That said... lets take an exagerrated hyperbolic example, lets say the US south were to cede, and not only cede but decide to reintroduce slavery of all non whites.
IS that something that nobody should intervene in. Should the US just let that happen? Is it none of the UK or EU's buisness. If Russia and China tried to intervene, would you be critical?
It would be morally wrong to just let them re-establish slavery but my issue is how do we know when to have humanitarian intervention and when to just respect their sovereignty? It's up to the leaders at the time what their government can and can't do and where the boundaries of international law and human rights lay with national sovereignty. None of this has ever been clearly defined because of all the competing ideologies. It's impossible to know if we ever took the right decision at a given time and it's all based on perspective too. When do the intentions go from good will for fellow humans to outright imperialism. I don't know the answer but by not intervening, at least you had no way of making the said situation worse.
The fact that you support that a group who was ethnically cleansed be forced to rejoin the people who committed that act opon them is morally abhorant, and you should return that liberal tag you generally seem glad to proclaim;. I mean, espeically when the "Well majority vote!" arguement exists specifically because of that ethnic cleansing.
Tryanny of the majority? Ain't that the biggest flaw with democracy? It's just unfortunate it might be like this
Not enough people agree with you to get your way electivly, well just murder off ethnic groups who disagree with you and then you'll have a majority, and it's all good.
The reasons you stated for lack of intervention mostly shows your lack of a true liberal attitude. You are argueing from a point of what is soley most beneficial to you. Which is fine, but own that.
You aren't a liberal, your someone who's politcs fit what best benefits him, and that coincidentally happens to mostly line up liberal.
A true liberal would realize that the rights of a minority group needs to be protected past such things as a pure majoirty vote. Hell even the Crimean Russians knew this, hence the need to inflate a voting percentage for a vote they already had won.
You're right i'm not a true liberal, i'm more of a socialist than a liberal. But it's hard to have a decent and informed viewpoint on a distant people when I don't even know any Russians yet alone Crimeans or Tartars. I just like to comment on these kind of events
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