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VitroBahllee on 04 April 2014
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Raven722 said:
thismeintiel said:
Raven722 said:
Having conflicting opinions is one thing. Taking those opinions and using them as a reason to limit the rights of others, essentially making them second-class citizens, is detestable. You're pissed off that these people lashed out at someone who was paying to see their rights limited?

Let's be honest.  They have never had the right to marriage in the past, so it's not exactly like it was there and then taken from them.  They do, however, have all the rights that come with marriage, which is called a civil union.  If they want the actual right to marriage in each state, then it's just something they have to fight for.  Just as slaves fought for freedom, and later, equality.  And women fought for equality and the right to vote. 

It's not going to be easy, just like it wasn't for the previous groups.  It's not just going to be handed to them.  And it's definitely not just going to be harassed out of people.  In fact, harassing and getting people fired for not supporting it will only lead to anger, and stronger opposition, from the other side.  They need to get out their message and either bring people over to their side of the topic, or at least have them maybe concede, without exactly changing their opinion.  I think most importantly, though, if gay marriage is granted in a state, then churches and wedding planners should definitely not be forced to perform the ceremonies.

So basically it's okay for him to send money to support legislation that treats homosexuals as "different citizens" as some kind of freedom he has but it's not okay for those same people to boycott what they see fit to boycott? Am I missing something here? What's hypocritical here is that this is being looked at as supporters of gay marriage being bad for showing their support for their cause because someone else showed support for a counter-cause. This is the way these battle are won. This is politics. The other side is going to be nasty and do whatever they can to stop this from happening. It's quite clear in the news every day that there are a fucking ton of people who want to squash this movement and they will do whatever is necessary. So those who support it are going to have to get dirty from time to time as well. You're asking people to be open-minded about people with closed minds. Tolerance of intolerance doesn't work. This isn't fighting against something for legitimate reasons backed up by any facts. It's just people being hateful and spiteful.

Let's not pretend that this has only been a recent struggle for gays and that they haven't earned it. The only reason it's as big of a deal now is because they're winning the support they need to overturn these things and those who don't like it are crying up a storm. Calling themselves victims of some kind of bullying which is about as laughable as saying the government isn't corrupt. The fact that we even bother arguing about calling it civil union or marriage is because some people claim the term "marriage" belongs to their religious beliefs. Yet they don't bother arguing against atheists or other religions being able to use the term "marriage" and the concept of marriage predates any modern religions so for any of them to lay claim to it is ridiculous. It's quite simply just one more little battle they're waging. They can't stop them from being gay, they can't stop them from raising children, they know they're going to lose not allowing them to marry but hey let's get the last laugh and tell them they can't call it "marriage". It's a last ditch effort to continue to treat homosexuals as "other" citizens.

Every point here is so well made and well said.