Obama: Ignoring Russian Aggression Would Have Global Consequences

[nanarchy]

Captain_Tom said:

nanarchy said:

Please.  Europe did not deploy soldiers into the Ukraine.  If Crimea wants to become part of Russia that is fine.  But Russia clearly violated international law when it sent in its soldiers.  (I am currently studdying international law, this is not an opinion).

Actually it most definitely IS an opinion as it all hinges on the legitimacy of the current ukrainian government which is arguably non existant as such Crimea can be said to have been within there rights to invite in the Russian Army (who actually were already within Crimea anyway).

Yeah I know it is debatible whether or not it was wrong for Russia to send in troops.  However it was illegal for them to order the Ukrainian soldiers to leave with an ultimatum.  An ultimatum signals a declaration of war under international custom law.  You would know this if you studied it, but you don't.  Still you and others will continue to spout nonsense...

Sorry but no. As russia's occupation there is debatible, so is the decision to order them to leave. If assume that the ukrainian government is illegitimate then Crimea government being the only legitmate government (and by extension Russia) do absolutely have the right to order them to leave. I don't study law, but I fortunately/unfortunately work with a whole room full of people that do.

Omg people.  The government of the Ukraine is not illegitimate.  The ex-president of the Ukraine was legally impeached following Ukraine's constitution.  

Also you gave no reason why "If Russia's intervention is debatible, then so is them ordering a country out of its own land."  They are two very different things.  At first Russia could argue that they were there to make sure the people of the Crimea were not under threat of violence.  However they never were, and the Ukrainian soldiers out of the area was completily pre-mature.

You know the ICJ is there for a reason.  This is the type of thing they handle.  It was not Russia's call, and they had no right to do it.

The impeachment did not follow the legal requirements under the constitution which requires an investigation by an appointed commission and a review by the constitutional court, you can't legally impeach the president by a simple vote, hence why it most definitely can be argued that the current government is illegitimate. It is unfortunate that both Russia and Ukraine have been pretty aweful and carefully following procedures hence from a legal standpoint neither side has a clearcut legal standing. The only way you can come to a standpoint that one side is completely legal or illegal is if you ignore a great many facts.