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Kasz216 on 02 April 2014
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Norris2k said:
Kasz216 said:
Norris2k said:
Kasz216 said:
Norris2k said:

 

 

Soviet Union, 40's, Stalin, collaboration with nazi, post war, it's all over, we are talking about Russia, Putin, the current events, we are in 2014, we need example from the past 20 years, right ? You are mixing everything, Tartars doesn't live in a fear of ethnic cleansing that would make them neglect any economical advantage Russia offers. That's what you said, and that's a pure lie for propaganda sake.


That's not exactly how the Tatar leaders were saying it... and as an armenian who knows a lot of armenians... yeah lasting memories of ethnic cleansing transcend governments and stick to the people who perpetrated them.

Sure, it lasts long or forever, but still there are different patterns depending of the intensity of the crime and the way it's dealt after that. Armenia is the worst case, because it's a pure genocide (plannified plain murder), it's massive (60~70% of the population), and it's not settled as the current governement is still denying it. Which is very different from the Tatars : it's 1/10th of Armenia death number, it's mostly death on deportation, on the charge of collaboration, by the URSS. Russia and Putin aknowledge both that it happened and that it was wrong.

40% isn't really that far off 60%... and it happened more recently...

and acknowledgement doesn't really solve what happened, a more extreme case, but I think the Native americans would say as much.

Also a case of how you'll work with people who do that stuff if your stuck with them.  (Because of course.)  and one with way more time behind it.

 

(And by the way I totally do support NA independence if they vote for it via refferendum.)