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Norris2k on 02 April 2014
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Kasz216 said:
Norris2k said:
Kasz216 said:
Norris2k said:
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First point, I'm not arguing that 97% is correct, I'm telling than your poll is before this events, and that is meaningless for a comparison or trend. So you can't tell it could not change that much, because it could... in fact it should change a lot. As an exemple, stats about pro and anti war before and after pearl harbor totally changed in the USA. So you are just not proving your point with your pre-event poll.

What happens is that Ukrainians as a whole voted for a pro-Russia governement. Right now, Ukraine is a mess. The economy is bad, the governement is not elected and is suspected for a part to be fascist, their is a push against minorities (regional language rights), it just had a civil-war, Russia is pushing, Europe is doing nothing, gazolin prices got higher, and there are high doubts about the pension system.

So Russia offers stability, security, higher and guaranted pensions, some money right now, expensive development projects, debt cancel, growth and a cheaper gazolin... or to go back to the mess Ukraine is. Could you think it's an offer good enough for your assumption that most Tatar (within the 40%) are voting against it to be false ?

We can argue about it but my real point, my second point is : with this offer and a large majority of russian... what ever the percent is, Russia would win by referendum, right ? What do you think a realistic percent would be ? 70% ? What does it change ?

No, I generally don't think there is enough money in the world to erase the fears of ethnic cleansing and the memories of the past.   Russia is the country that threatens the stability of the tatars.

 

As for what the voting percentage changes?  A whole lot.

Afterall, they wouldn't of bothered to fix it to be a higher percentage anyway right?

 

The specific Tatar fears are one of them.  That's why they specifically mention tatar voting percentages.  It's to try and cover up Tatar fears of genocide.

Also, it wasn't that 40% of Tatar's voted to join russia.  It's that 40% of tatars voted.

So it'd be more that a MAJORITY of Tatars voted to join Russia.

A very high majority if you assume everyone didn't vote.  Which is actually probably the case even with a vote as important as it.

 

Though even 70% does seem high.  60-65% seems about right.

I don't know what you are talking about with your ethnic cleansing and genocide. They are currently 5.5 millions Tatars in the russian federation, with extended autonomous regional rights, Russia have cleansing problem or what ? Give sources for such a thing happening to Tatars in the last 20 years, I've never heard about it. Really, it sounds like a crazy propaganda, you made it up ?

For the 40% of Tatars voting, I understood. I'm just saying it changes things a lot. In most election very low vote rate largely favors on side or the other. Which one was it, we can't know. As an image, if 20% of the Tatars population are pro-russia, they can form as much as 50% of the 40% voting Tatars.