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Kasz216 on 31 March 2014
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mai said:

Kasz216 said:

So if there's no motive and no proof... assume there is a crime and a secret motive.

That is a very russian perspective I guess.

No, the crime has happened already, dead body is lying just before you and you have a culprit and multiple evidences against him, the fact that you might not know his motive won't discharge him. Besides you've just proposed a viable motive for a crime already. But enought with metaphors.


In term of evidences, even if we ignore the background behind the relations of the US and Ukrainian nationalists that lasted for decades, there's still a lot of  things to talk about. For starters I've brought Yakimenko into the discussion earlier, among other things in his interview he accused Nalivaychenko in handing personal files of SBU employees to CIA, effectively impying he's working on some other parties than he should have given the position he holds.

Well, this is Pulcinella secret for whoever followed the events in Ukraine. Nalivaychenko has been caught on video in one of the Trizub training camps few years ago, while being the head of SBU. So the fact that Ukrainian nationalists and SBU are somehow affilated is almost a given. For the same reason I believe they affilated with Crimenian Tatars nationalists, Majlis people, namely Dzhemilev and Chubarov, who for the last few years were playing in the favor of people from Batkivschina party (half of current authorites in Kiev) and scheeming their provocations now in Crimea for the sole reason to make it to the headlines (I suggest you googling Mili Firka's Abduraimov interview on the matter). For the same reasons SBU turned a blind eye on the activity of Hizb ut-Tahrir in Crimea, even though it's their direct responsibility to oppose radical or terroristic groups. Before "polite" people appeared all over the place in Crimea, the situation was rather intense -- there were clashes of Majlis and Hizb ut-Tahrir people with the rest of population of peninsula -- how long do you think violance would have lasted without the dead bodies starting to pile up?

The situation would have turned into Yugoslavian scenario very fast not only in Crimea, probably not that bloody but enough for "peacekeeping mission". I wonder who'd have lead that mission, hm?

Ok....

So the former head of state security... Yakimenko knew that Nalivaychenko was working witht he CIA, giving over secret information etc....

and his response was to do absolutely nothing with that information, he didn't arrest him, accuse him, limit the SBU's power... didn't even say anything, until after he gets forced out of power.

This is the arguement you are making.  

Or did he not find out about this until after he got pushed out of power?