cyberninja45 said:
Norris2k said:
superchunk said:
BC games can't possibly be turned into "native" 1080p. They very will could be upscaled to 1080p though.
However, it is smart of Sony to copy the VC idea and put out its rich PS legacy as well. |
In fact they can be rendered in 1080p.
To simplify, upscaling is about rendering at a given resolution which give you a picture, say a 320x200 for PS1, then make every pixel bigger to fit an higher resolution. A simple upscaler just make pixel bigger. A good upscaling will not just make pixel bigger, but filter pixels to render sub pixel in a less visible way. It will produce a very mixed result.
An other way through emulation is to render directly the 3D at the target result. To say it very simply, if you have a line going from A to B, instead of making rendering it in a 320x200 matrix, you render in a 1080p matrix. You can add filter for textures to improve the rendering, and even tweaks some know effects. For example most of the game will render a semi transparent window using the same primitives, so you can render it with a beautifull modern gpu accelerated transparency. There is about no limit on how you could enhance the graphics, like replacing 8 bits low res textures with high res procedural textures, adding shaders depending of the game type.
So, that's really a native 1080p. The only problem is that the game is not made for that, so you can have a lot of code that produce glitches, etc., you have lot of game to test and simply can't achieve a 100% compatibilty.
Anyway, here are the pics from epsxe, the ps1/2 PC emulator that render this way. You can see the limitations, the background is a picture in 2d so you can't do better rendering, just add a blurry upscale.
You can watch shaders experimentation on youtube (switch to 720p or 1080p) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CWmrMyOl9o
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This is exactly what I was thinking the game is cleaner but the textures are still blurry and polygons are more pronounced and blocky. I was always of the view that native 1080p meant cleaner textures (or more detailed textures if you like).
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Really, strictly speaking native 1080p is about having a 1080p rendering, which is the case in such an emulation. The massive aliasing (on my screen I can see a pixel is more than 1 millimeter) is no more, you have clean (but blocky) rendering for lines.
Anyway, it's not and will never be the same than current gen 1080p rendering with high detailed textures, high polygon count, shaders, particules that shines within a high definition rendering. In fact as you said, it even create new problems, the low polygon count hidden by big pixels become a lot more visible. Some of the problems can be improved to some point, with better texture filtering. Also an other problem for PS1 is the high unstability of 3D (low accuracy I assume) that was already here in low def, but become even more painfull. But what I've shown is on of the worst case with 2d background, on PS1. A full 3D game from PS2 would render a lot better. And I really think in any case it renders a lot better than a television upscalem which is actually the point.
