Obama's Speech or Supreme Court on Gun Rights...which is more important?

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ZenfoldorVGI said:
Anything that takes away our right to do anything is bad.

Do I find it stupid that we have legalized drinking, but pot is illegal? Yes, I smoke weed, but do not drink, and drunk driving kills.

Do I want drinking made illegal? Hell no. If I want to get drunk and kill myself, it's my own right. If I get drunk and kill someone else, I better be ready to get my ass raped in Parchman state prison for the rest of my white-boy life.

Taking away our rights, and giving the government more control to nurture our citizens, is an attempt by the government to tell us how to live and act. That is never a good thing. For a bunch of liberals who have bitched about the government for the past 8 years, non-stop, you sure are quick to want to give the government more power.

I'm going to reply to this lot as one thing. Do you want people to have the right to use and possess and deal cocaine, heroin and P? Afterall, it is their choice as to whether they use it or not and it fits entirely in with your point. Most people at this point would say 'No, I don't want that', why? Because those things are dangerous to yourself and others.

You can't be a secular-progressive and a hippie, make up your minds. Guns kill people, yes, we have laws to punish and reform those who use those guns as tools of violence.

What if you come from a country with low gun crimes and restrictive laws on guns?

Guns protect people. Rarely, yes it happens, guns kill home intruders.

Guns protect people, they also aid in the killing of people. More the last than the second I feel, although a couple of comprehensive independent studies that have no major methodical problems would change my mind.

Should we take away cars because half the population is too crazy to drive one responsibily? Should we take away cars because they kill people, due to idiots using them when they are drunk?

Hell fucking no. We make people take license tests for them, and then if they do kill people, we make them responsible for their own actions and make sure they never do it again.

Cars are needed, these days people need to travel and fast. Quite simply current civilization would struggle to survive without individual transportation. At least in the form that it is.

Guns on the other hand are unnessecary. Plenty of countries exist with far tighter gun laws than the USA and with far lower amounts of violent crime.

Nothing is perfect, we're not going to prevent crime, or death, or stupidity, and no set of numbers is worth giving up our liberty and freedom, something I would give my life to defend.

If there was a freedom to kill all Englishmen enshrined in your constitution would you defend it?

Hopefully not as it would be entirely outdated, pointless and lead to more violence. This is a less extreme form of that.

Debating it is a good release, also, this is an interesting topic.

Taking aways guns, where does it stop? Alcohol? Cigarettes? Private transportation?

Hopefully at switchblades, nunchucku and other dangerous weapons. Listing a bunch of other things that are unrelated to the subject at hand (none of those things are designed as weapons) is poor debating.

Think of the millions of small business and gunshop owners your putting out of business by outlawing guns. Think of the illegal trade you'll be creating. Think of the lack of security that women feel walking down a dark alley, or the fear of the old man who lives along with an empty cubbord where his handgun used to be.

Ooh! Ooh! Appealing to emotion! I can do this one too!

Think of the poor man who died when he pulled out his gun to stop a robber. Think of the innocent people who die in a shootout when some vigilante civilian tries to stop a bank robbery. Think of the fear of the old man who is afraid as he knows that the people walking by him in the street have the power to kill him in a split second.

Once again poor debating.

People will use guns, nothing will stop that.

The street gangs who shoot innocent bystanders in drivebys? Do you think they're shooting registered weapons? Do you think the gun ban will actually stop that violence? Maybe you think them having guns will give the police an excuse to lock them up? Don't you know they already lock them up if they have a gun on them? You think America won't have an underground gun trade? You think Americans will accept a law like this? Americans in Mississippi? Our country, America, has never been the type to follow along with secular-progressive thinking because of some ruling. We will buy guns BECAUSE of the ruling.

I think that drive by shootings are a problem with your culture rather than with the gun laws. But it doesn't change the fact that as it is gangs can legally stockpile dangerous weapons and the police can do nothing about it. Even if they raid their buildings they can't take the weapons as they have the right to own them.

Do we lay down for our government?

I dunno, ask the protesters outside the White House. Ask the soldgers in Iraq. Ask the gang members in Harlem, ask the clan in Mississippi(My home state, btw), ask the self govermentalist in texas, ask the sec-progs in california who have marijuana in vending machines, ask the fishermen of washington, ask the common man of Iowa. Go tell them the supreme court ruling, tell them its time to lay down and obey.

Its a fucking gun law, not the government selling you all off as slaves. Talk about exaggeration. You're making it sound like they are turning the country into a second USSR.

Don't you see that's what makes this country so great. We're so diverse, a melting pot, and we stand together in a simple fact. Nobody is going to circumvent our freedom, and persuit of happiness. We were born with certain unaliable rights, and nobody, not even our own government who acknowledged that bestowment of rights upon us, will tell us otherwise.

For some reason I don't see why having the right to carry a deadly weapon in public is going to help you on your 'pursuit of happiness', rights such as the right to habeas corpus, fair trial and counsel. Those are rights worth standing for, yet the American people kick more of a fuss up about gun laws than about their erosion in Guantanamo bay. 

Sometimes I really don't understand your country.

 @Kenzomatic. How many people more would have died through the use of those guns over the years? Probably more than they would have saved on that day. Anyway, cherry picking, the use of one extremely rare situation is hardly conclusive to overall effectivness of weapon control.