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FlamingWeazel on 10 March 2014
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Jega said:
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Jega said:
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Jega said:
Another example put 512MB of ram into the PS4 and see what happens to the graphics.


LOL  how is that the same thing, then the system is ram starved, but both habe 8 gbs of ram. Take out the ps4 gpu , anyone can use hypotheticals...... Amount of ram and ram speed is not the sme thing nor relevant.  Yes you need ram, but esram wont make one system with a weaker gpu pefform better it's impossible.

 

Show me a benchmark of a PC with a 40% better gpu but slower ram where it performed worse in games?  HINT They don't exist, and ps4 has faster unified pool is better then slower ram with 32 mb esram. 32 is too tiny and another middleman to get to the gpu and cpu.

There you go again looking at the number and not the type of ram.

Example, both the xbox one and ps4 have 8 gigs of ram but the difference is about 100GB/s because of the type of ram

ddr3 vs ddr 5 differnt types of ram.

32MB of SRAM 192GB/s vs PS4 8 GIGabyte of ram 176BG/s, both theoretical performance.

Stop looking at just the number and look at the TYPE of ram.


The ram is NOT going to help a weak er gpu..............Again you CANNOT add up theroritical numbers like that and geta  total, it's BS and it doesn;t work like that they don't get added together.

 

I repeat, nothing can offset the GPU advantage., Everything you said is totally incorrect.,You also keep ignoring that 32 MB is simply too small to make any real difference.

 

Where is a benchamark?

I am not trying to offset the GPU advantage the PS4 has, what you are not getting is that you cannot just look at the power of

the GPU and say Playstation 4 can perform better than the Xbox One. There are other factors such as memory bandwith and CPU speeds.

If the ps4 and xbox one were made up of just GPUs then I would not have an argument.

Yes and the other facts still means ps4 is a more powerfull system, esram is too small, a hindrance, and does NOT make for more bandwidth. The ddr3 in x1 is still its'  speed, 32 mb esram is not speeding that up, so x1 has a slower main pool is NOT unified, and relying on a TINY 32 esram is laughable at best.Everything you said in other words is incorrect.

 

The ps4 does and is performing better that is simply fact.

 

You are just looking at ram and adding up numbers and trying to SPIN those numbers, PS4 has better ram and architecture on TOP oif a better gpu. Yes a better gpu is a huge advantage that will not be offset by a tiny 32 mb esram.

 

You don't have an argument, even if you were right (You are not), and say the x1 had better ram bandwidth, the x1 would still lag behind due to the gpu not being able to render at 1080-p, having less shaders, compute units, less fill rate, meaning it would still have to drop in resolution, frame rate and effects to maintain the same performance., No amount of fast ram is goiung to help the gpu, no matter how fast the ram is, it will then have to be bottlenecked by how well the GPU can render. PERIOD. Look up bottlenecks. X1 has worse ones the the ps4.