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Goatseye said:
thismeintiel said:
 

Do you even realize WHY there wasn't a huge stink about PS+ being necessary?  You support ads on a system you already paid for and are paying a subscription for, so probably not.  But I'll explain it to you.  It's because PS+ is a STEAL.  Sony actually made it a service of value.  They gave some nice extra features for the console, but mostly they give away great games.  Not ones that came out 4-5 years ago.  Newer ones.  And MOST IMPORTANTLY, they didn't take things that should be accessible to everyone, i.e. internet browser and Netflix, and shove them behind PS+ to give it FAKE value.  This is why many said that yes it sucked and they could understand if anyone would be mad about it, but that it wasn't that big a deal.  There's also the fact that most of the people who are buying PS4, now, either had PS+ or were paying for Live, but are now happy they are getting something worthwhile back now paying for their online.

i don't care about games age. I still play old Nintendo games and original Xbox titles.

For something to have a value people have to recognize it and I see a lot in XBL.

I LOVE IT. I watch free European and Brazilian soccer league games every week-end for $32-34/ year. Can't find that anywhere else. Capisce?

That's good for you.  Unfortunately for MS, with a clean slate this gen, many people are eyeing both consoles and their features, including what their online service offers, and are choosing the PS4.  What's going to be interesting is the drop off of Live subscribers from last gen to this gen.