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impertinence on 28 February 2014
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Kyuu said:


I see his labelling his not having access to PS3 as a "torture" and his ill-treatment compared to the rest of murderers, among other stories, as indicators.. an evidence of prisoners' easy lives. Norway not dismissing these easy life claims makes the evidence even stronger. They hardly deny any of it. Or maybe they're having a hard time conveying their messages.

I don't have a problem with which console he games on or whether he doesn't game at all! you're taking my words too literally. I'm not sitting there next to him to fully confirm any of this. In one sense, neither you and I, nor Norwegians, are completely informed about the matter. The confirmed fact is he has a chance to be released in 21 years. This is exactly what the sentencing says but they are likely to extend it depending on his behavior. If he acts like a good little boy he still has his chances according to the resolution. Since you love facts too much, here they are.

In my humble opinion, these millions of dollars shouldn't be spent on mass murderers. Redirecting them could save the lives of thousands who actually deserve saving. Money and resourses are limited, they mustn't be drained by mass murders. Not even a free man with clean record, gets food and a place to live in for free. If they're struggling with isolation, many people are struggling to find a job for a living.

I don't see governmental authorities as complete and unquestioned representatives to their nations, there is much going on behind the scenes, things the masses aren't aware of. criticizing this side shouldn't necessarily be reflected on people, it shouldn't rile you up. I admit I got a little carried away but that doesn't give mjo011 the right to offend world's societies so blatantly. His offense is unjustified no matter how we look at it.

Not sure how much further I want to continue this conversation, it's obvious that you are working off of partial information and you don't have access to the information reported in Norwegian media and you don't bother listening to the people who do when they try to explain where you are misunderstanding the case.

Anyway, again. I can assure you that there is no need to consider a theoretical release for good behavior after 21 years for Breivik. I can understand why you would think so based on how international media report on the case, but they are wrong and you are wrong. There is no hope for getting out early for good behavior for this guy. His sentencing has no provision for good behavior at all. He will remain in jail for as long as he is considered a 'danger to society' which in Norwegian can also include considerations on how the public at large would react to a release. This type of sentencing has two functions: to prevent releasing prisoners who are likely to commit serious crimes again in the future and to keep people in jail for as long as needed as to not offend the public sense of justice. You can consider it a fact that Breivik will not be released.

Second, Norway has no problems conveying their message. But, in this case as in any case, the press reports only what they think will sell well. In nNorway, and news related to Breivik is still reported on, which means that the ruling on Breiviks various demands was also reported. I am pretty sure international press didn't bother to report what happened with his demand. (Hint: he won't be getting a PS3 or any traction for any of his other outragous demands and complaints)

Finally, again I will repeat that the death sentence (or torture for life or whatever you'd prefer he recieve) were not legal alternatives in Norway when Breivik did what he did and they still are not. There was substantial debate in Norway after the tragedy around the death penalty, length of term and many other issues related to how you punish inconcievable crimes. The common consensus in Norway was that it is more important to protect the ideals of the Norwegian way of life than to fill the need for immidiate revenge against Breivik. Especially since Breivik's acts were a delibarate attack on these ideals and an attempt to force chance to the judicial process. That way Norway came together and showed that they are stronger than this nutcase and his imaginary European revolution and in the process Breivik was also denied the "martyr's death" that he so much wanted. Instead he is stuck in a tiny cell 23 hours of the day and regularily humiliated when his hyperinflated ego decideds to file a complaint or make a demand or whatever. It does my heart good every time I am reminded that Anders Breivik is sitting in a hole and feeling like he's being tortured and treated like an animal, all the time while Norway has not had to go outside the rule of law to make that asshole feel like he is being mistreated.

I get emotional about this issue, it is very personal to me, so with a few days to cool off I appologize for some of the overly harsh language I used against you. I do recommend that you collect more information on this case though before making statements of what should be done differently.