Kyuu said:
Truth is Breivik is being well treated and he doesn't deserve it, as simple as that. I'm not basing this on pure emotions, treating a murderer like this will make prisons less effective, much less of a deterrent to crimes. Stop diverging as any of what you're writing is irrelated to my stance. Pretty shallow of you to actually think my problem is precisely his gaming with "Playstation 3" I'm surprised you brought that to he argument. All we know is he's having an easy life out there. It's downright wrong regardless what situation a "first world" country is in. If we looked at things that way, we could justify all the mess going in the Middle East. My disgust shouldn't be seen as anything but a wake up call. If you see what I wrote, including my disgust, as offensive. Then the problem is within you. You're the one being sensitive and emotional here not me. I reiterate, I stand against this policy, NOT THE PEOPLE. I'd like it to change, I want the people to speak their minds no matter where they were. The only confirmation we have about his sentencing is he's having an easy life and will be released in 21 years. What the future holds and whether the imprisonment will expand is UNKNOWN. Nevertheless I didn't know the guy was Norwegian so I took a step back and stopped arguing. Now can you tell us why you're being hypocritical and not "Calling him out" for accusing world's majorities to be uncivilized?! For this is undeniably worse than anything I wrote. |
I understand what your opinion is, what you label as 'truth' is your opinion, nothing else. What's more, it's not backed by facts as the Norwegian prison system has proved to be one of the most effective in the world. That's fine though, you're free to think that a more draconian approach would be better, the people of Norway don't want your system, and it was a steadfast commitment of the people to not sacrifice the ideals of the nation for the lust for revange after what Breivik did. This resolve was and is a source of pride for Norwegians, it's been lauded world wide, and has been instrumental in the feelings of the Norwegian people that they will not be broken or defeated by a little shit like Anders Breivik. These are the contexts around his sentecing and how he serves his sentence that you don't understand. It's also why your holier-than-thou attitude is offensive to people who has had to live through this trauma first hand and are proud of the way it's been handled. And to be honest, your demonstrated lack of understanding of his sentencing and what it means, plus the parroting some nonsense about the easy conditions he is serving under makes it even more offensive. Basically, it's fine to have an opinion about what should be done, but without showing any sensitivity to why things are they way they are, and on top of that not relating to the facts but rather something you think is the case you bring nothing to the discussion and come off as uninformed and offensive at the same time.
I brought up the PS3 issue because you specifically used that as an expample of how we hear about his gaming issues over and over. If you understood anything about this situation, you would also understand why the demand for a PS3 was even reported on by the press and how it ties into how Norwegians process the trauma he is responsible for. As you might or might not know, his demand for a PS3 upgrade was just one of many damands and complaints he was allowed to make and the demands have been considered and dealt with. The way this was handled is all part of how Norway deals with a situation that was and still is unthinkable for the country. Kneejerk comments along the lines of "OMG! Why is he even allowed to have a PS2!!!" doesn't even begin to skratch the surface off this topic. As I have stated many times, you have shown no indication of understanding any of this, and so your comments are meaningless. And yes, I freely admit that this topic is hugly emotional to me personally, and that is why I find your illinformed ramblings on this topic offensive.
And in closing, your assumption about the only confirmation we have is that he will be in jail for 21 years and then be released is incorrect. You've been told many times already how this will be handled, but you don't understand the type of sentencing, why it is used and the conditions it implies and still continue pretending that 21 years in jail is a possible outcome. Of course, in the real world you can never guarantee anything, and perhaps Anders Breivik is released from jail because the sun swallows up the earth in the next 10 years or he mutates into some kind of x-man that can bend the minds of everyone around him. In all practical senses though, the sentencing he is serving under, seen in relation to what he did, is a life time prison and any reporting that he might be out in 21 or even 10 years in sensationalistic click baiting. The same is the case of the reports of his easy life. Probably driven by fluff pieces on Fox news about how he has a private work out room and an office, that his cell is larger than most NYC appartments or whatever. In reality, Anders Breivik serves under conditions as close to being thrown in a hole for the rest of his life as possible without violating Norwegian and international law.
As for your last paragraph: logical fallacy.
