19F – The Night Venezuela Finally Imploded

[the2real4mafol]

osed125 said:

Ever since Chavez won the very first elections in 1998 there has been a lot political division, which has become bigger and bigger throw out the years. I mean democrats and republicans can at the very least have a conversation in the same room, that is basically impossible in Venezuela. I have heard many stories of families who were divided and never talked to each other again because ones were Chavistas and the others from the opposition. 

However the current revolts have gone beyond political differences, like I mentioned early in the thread, people who are/were with Maduro are fighting as we speak. For the first time since 1998, the people are fighting for different reasons other than politics alone, and those reasons are: no food in the supermarkets, hard to find medicines, extreme violence in the streets, the economy going to shit, etc

As a Venezuelan, I have no fucking clue what the fuck happened in the last elections...did Maduro won legally? I don't know, did he cheated? I don't know...I mean there are stories (and pictures) of people with 30 IDs who voted 30 times, Chavistas manipulating the voting tables, setting boxes full of votes on fire, etc. 

I for example, voted abroad, it was a pain in the fucking ass because the Venezuelan embassy in Costa Rica didn't want to register me...I had to give tons of stupid papers for me to finally be able to vote in the elections...It was 5 months of constants "No, you still need this or that paper" before they let me vote...in Costa Rica alone there are 10000 Venezuelans that have the right to vote (by that I mean people that are at least 18 years old), not even half of them were able to do so, because the embassy made their life impossible, the Venezuelan constitution says that in order to vote abroad you only need a valid passport...guess they never read it (and it case you ask, yes, me and many other Venezuelans reported the fact that they didn't follow the constitution..till this day we never heard any responds) 

Stories like that were told by Venezuelans all around the World, in the U.S for example, you could only vote in Washington...my aunt lives in Houston and she had to fly to Washington in order to vote, even though there is a Venezuelan embassy in Houston. And to top all things up, we don't know if those abroad votes ever reach Venezuela, the government never told us they did, they never told us they didn't. 

Also, Venezuela is the ONLY country where (as far as I know at least) the elections are 100% done by computers...all those computers were manufactured and are manage by the government...no matter in what country you live, you can't trust your government...especially on elections. One more thing, the elections started at 6 a.m, they were supposed to end at 6 p.m, and by 10 p.m there were still people voting (as a side note, the Venezuelan constitution says that after the voting time ends, the tables MUST close, no questions asked, the people that didn't get the chance to vote because they were there too late then tough luck), the government was supposed to give the first results at 8 p.m, they gave them at 1 a.m...if you have the most advanced election system in the world (that's how Chavez referred it to) why did you took so long to give the results?  (by the way, this has happened in basically all major elections not only when Maduro won).

To wrap things up:

Is there evidence that Maduro fixed the elections? Yes

Is there conclusive evidence? Sadly, no. At least not conclusive enough to make it valid in an international court.

The government wipes their asses with the constitution papers, they don't care what it's written in there, and through that, they do whatever they want, including manipulating the elections.

To end this long post, the reason why I also don't know if Maduro 100% fixed the elections (I do believe he did it to some extend, but not completely) is because there are a lot of ignorant people in Venezuela, there are people who prefer Venezuela in the state it is, as long as the person gets the chance to rob or kill, they will vote for the one who continues this. Venezuela is a gold mine for drug dealers, they will vote for Maduro as long as he keeps it like that. I'm sure at least 60% of people who voted for Maduro don't even fucking care who he is or what he does, they only care that he continues the chaos...can't find milk in the supermarket? I don't care, I can't rob and kill this guy without ever having any consequences. There's also a lot of people who are making shit tons of money with the government (mostly in the oil company), they don't care if the people can't find toilet paper because he can buy one imported from France...

Interesting post. I had no idea the situation was so complex, i should read into it more. 

If anything you have encouraged me to vote. I wasn't going as i saw no point but after you saying how hard it was for you, since you was abroad. I may as well, my countrie's general elections are in 2015 anyway. 

I'm glad politics don't get so heated in Britain. It's just crazy. I guess this makes the winter of discontent 1978 seems like nothing almost. 

Also I just wonder if the opposition have what it takes to sort Venezuela's problems before a civil war or worse happens. 

Between you lot, Brazil, Egypt, Ukraine and Syria and others. The last thing the world needs is another conflict