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Enspire on 22 February 2014
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zorg1000 said:
Enspire said:
zorg1000 said:
I hate when people use the term save without defining what they mean by it. Does it mean get 1st place? Prevent it from getting discontinued? Sell a specific amount lifetime? Increase weekly sales to over 100k? Until u actually state what ur criteria is for being saved, nobody can actually give a legitimate answer.

With that said, the way I see Halo is similar to the big Nintendo franchises, it will sell incredibly well despite a small install base. The original Halo sold over 6 million and Halo 2 sold over 8 million on a console with an install base under 25 million, just like Mario Kart & Smash Bros were able to sell about 7 million each on an install base just over 20 million.

I feel like this gen is going back to 6th gen levels to an extent. Nintendo no longer has a huge casual craze and the reason why 360 was able to split the PS2 crowd in half was due to the price advantage, headstart, superior online and superior 3rd multiplats in the first half of the gen and had Kinect to push sales in the second half, it no longer has any of those advantages and Kinect just like Wii was a casual craze for a few years then people moved on.

PS4 will most likely dominate this generation while Wii U and One fight for a distant 2nd place. Halo will help sales but it wont be a game changer that pushes it close to PS4.


I disagree,  original xbox had a weird ass remote and was huge and just not really nice, thats why the ps2 was so sucessful. The 360 was great, it created a huge fanbase for xbox and a lot of love from its fans. Before xbox one was announced Most ps3 users were saying they were getting a xbox next gen (at least here in North america). The xbox one just had a really bad PR at first, and then a lot of damage was done for launch especially with a 100$ extra pricetag. If xbox wouldve done things like the 360, xbox wouldve got an even firmer grip on NA and UK.

edit: i mean by this that the xbone could still change, and wouldnt be that much of a "distant second"

So the main reason for Xbox selling so low compared to PS2 was the controller? Cuz thats the only reason u gave. Also how many of the 25m+ PS3 owners in America said that? Im not trying to sound rude but u totally just made that up.

PS3 has outsold 360 in Japan+Europe+Others by 20m and growing, without the 1-1.5 year headstart and significant price advantage the gap would be much larger in these regions. PS4 is $100 cheaper and in general a stronger brand in these regions, we can probably expect a 30-40m lead for PS4 in Japan+Europe+Others.

America is literally the only major region that kept the contest close, 360 has almost a 20m lead here which almost cancels out the PS3 lead in every other region. The thing u have to consider is that us Americans are not loyal to brands at all when it comes to consoles. 2nd gen was dominated by Atari, 3rd gen by Nintendo, 4th gen was a battle between Nintendo/Sega, 5th/6th gen Sony dominated and 7th gen Nintendo dominated the first half with Microsoft dominating the second half. Just because 360 did extremely well in America does not mean One will.

What caused 360 to do so well compared to PS3 in America? Headstart/price/multiplats/online/Kinect. For the first few years 360 had a $200 price advantage, the best versions of mulitplats with many of them releasing earlier, Xbox Live was much superior to PSN. If u look at the yearly sales, in 2009 PS3 came very close to 360 in this region. This just so happens to be the year PS3 finally hit $299 and was within the 360 price range and mulitplats/online were starting to catch up, this also happens to be the year 360 was down year over year. The following year Kinect was released giving 360 a huge boost for the next 2 years, without Kinect its likely sales would have continued to drop.

This gen neither has a headstart, PS4 Is cheaper with the best multiplats, there is no huge online advantage for either and Kinect no longer has that casual appeal. PS4 is currently selling much better in America and there is currently nothing that shows this will change. Xbox exclusives like wont do the trick. Halo is by far the biggest Xbox exclusive and the best selling title on 360 saw a 1 million increase over the best selling Halo on the original Xbox despite 360 having triple the install base. One can be competitive In this region but PS4 will likely edge It out.

All in all unless Microsoft comes up with a big game changer we are probably looking at a 30-50 million lead for PS4, which would One in a distant 2nd.


I dont know what youre on, the ps2 was the only reasonable choice back then, thats it. No one even considered xbox imo. The only reason I ever see people saying for owning a ps3 was the free online. Thats a big ass advantage and it is the reason ps3 is selling better now. And a load of people like multiplayer games in america, ppl who care about solo games the ps3 had are rare here. So yea a load of ps3 owners felt left out. Multiplayer exclusives are way bigger than sp games. I remember ps3 was just considered the wrong console and the only argument was free online. That is , if your a mp fan, but like i just said mp > sp by a pretty wide gap. Give both of them free online and the ps3 wouldve never caught up. Even with its great games in the end, the sooo praised tlou sold 4 mill. Halo doubles that everytime. Gears also surpasses it easily. Xbox 360 was just the better choice if you dont mind paying.