Libertarianism?

[steven787]

rocketpig said:

steven787 said:

Moderate libertarianism? Never heard of it. If you water down libertarianism you either end up as a Republican (less government in business), a Democrat (less in your personal life), or a moderate (a little more here, a little less there).

Non-revolutionary Socialism evolved from Socialism/Communism because there were no viable labor/mass parties before it's existence in many nations. (These were also backed as a way to introduce communist ideas)

Libertarianism evolved from moderate political skews into an anarcho-capitalist revolutionary movement, so the moderate forms already existed.

You pretend as if it's completely impossible to believe in the fiscal responsibility of conservatives and the social freedom of liberals at the same time. Boil it down and you've got yourself a moderate Libertarian, which isn't that far from a classic Republican before the party went and found God.

 @Bolded: that's just one form of being moderate.

Libertarianism isn't that,  libertarianism is technically just the ideology that free-will should guide political systems.  Sounds great, I don't  know anyone in there right mind that would argue against that ideology.  But it means so much more in practice.

It means the elimination and restriction of government beaurocracies.   Again, this doesn't sound bad.

 Immediately, even libertarians agree, there is a need for some agencies.  First you have the Legislative and Executive bodies to make decisions and get things done, then the Judicial body to adress grievences (because even in a perfect society where no one does any wrong, people are going to disagree on what "wrong" means). 

Of course people aren't all going to not do wrong, so you are going to need military, law enforcement, trade commissions, and regulators - meaning that when companies start screwing each other and customers over you going to have at the very least judicial decisions that create a code and more than likely you are going to have executive and legislative code too.  So now free-will and the golden rule don't seem to be enough, because people don't live like that.  People are going to speed, kill each other, steal, lie, and practice bad business; it's human nature - it's sounds pessimistic, but outside of the garden of Eden people never have followed the rules.

Well we can still have a minimalist government, smaller than the one we have. But how are all those tiny programs going to be paid for.  There has to be some type of tax to pay for arms, labor, land, etc...  So now you need tax laws, and someone to collect it.  When someone doesn't pay, how are they going to force them to pay?  Libertarians call to mind "men with guns", so I want to know how they are going to pay for government with out collecting taxes.

"Moderate" Libertarians understand this, but how does this differ from a Socially-liberal Republican or a Fiscally conservative Democrat?  It's just another name, because young people, and some older people with grudges, want to belong to somehthing that sounds different, new and exciting.