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thranx on 10 February 2014
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the2real4mafol said:
badgenome said:
the2real4mafol said:

Fair enough but for me. It's 3 things. Law and order (which includes protecting rights), a welfare state (especially free healthcare and education) and conserving landmarks and the natural environment.

I know it's a bit off topic but i was just interested. 

The problem with the second bit as I see it is that conflicts with the first part (to give to someone you have to take from someone else) and it invariably corrupts a democratic system once politicians figure out they can buy voters and voters figure out they can be bought (which takes about two seconds).

Aren't politicians supposed to give voters what they want? In a democracy they are supposed to represent us, the voting public. 

The bigger problem is the 2 party system, especially when they are essentially the same thing. 

Anyway, while there are still people that are poor a welfare state is of total necessary. It's there to balance the field and give people essential services which everyone pays into. Only the state can do this, as they are the least likely to follow a profit motive above anything. Nothing wrong with making profits, but there is a problem when the system is cheated for greed like it is now. But yeah, i don't see how a welfare state can interfere with say property rights. No private property would be taken. But just remember not everyone is lucky enough to afford a house, so it's the state responsibility to give them houses or flats as the market won't help them. 


Dont know why you would think that. Must not have any corruption where you live, and people must not abuse their powers for their own gain. I myself although not religous, would trust the church to not put profit above others more than the government, and i would trust the government least of all with any type of power.  I mean we see abuses and overspending by every branch of the US government at every level (city, county, state, federal) so why should we believe that they dont put profit and power over our well being when its shown day in day out that they do?

 

Edit: I would add that if politicions in your area live better than every day people do, does that not show they value their success more than their fellow mans success? If not why dont they donate more time, money, and help to their neighbors as they are asking their neighbors to do for each other and them?