| adriane23 said:
And before you say something is my opinion to dismiss it, make sure you're not being a hypocrite by stating your own opinion to make up half your argument. 1) Yes, if you want comparable you'll have to buy a controller. That's what I said in my post, so why are you just repeating me? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you didn't understand my post. In regards to a $10 keyboard and mouse being adequate, that's your opinion (see my statement above about your hypocrisy). Yes, in regards to just building a gaming PC to fit your needs and budget, there are parts that you need to focus on more, but that's not what I'm getting at. A PC comparable to next gen consoles performance wise cannot match their price (especially not the PS4) without making serious concessions to the point where your rig wouldn't even be useable. |
You're missing the point.
The Keyboard and Mouse is a superior input method in many regards, most PC gamers don't use a controller.
Most PC gamers don't have their PC in the lounge room.
The thread was about a comparible PC in price/performance, it meets that and you're just trying to change the playing field.
However for kicks and giggles... If you wanted a controller this is more than ample, you can then set Steam to boot with Windows and enter big-picture mode.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2BM0YA3575
As for Price, the PC can match and even beat a PS4, you're going to have to make a sacrifice in some area to compliment another.
Even then, over the long term you're going to save money, games are cheaper, you don't have to pay for online, which more than makes up for the more frequent hardware upgrade you may be required to do.
| adriane23 said: 2) Yes it does. Moving the goal posts? That's not a preference it's a necessity if you want to have a comparable experience in your living room. And it is the norm. How many people do you know game in their living room on their couch with a mic that can't even reach them? Are they just screaming at the mic or something? Do they have a ridiculously small living room where their tv and Desktop is a foot from their couch, so their wired mic can reach? |
If you're that worried about it, don't get a free standing Microphone, this is more than ample:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1FS0K74271
| adriane23 said: 3) Yes, Steam has games that run on Linux, but it's a very very very very very small number (307) compared to what can be played on a Windows OS ( 2522 or most games worth playing) and it's even small compared to what can be played with the Mac OS (664) through Steam. I don't even see why you saw fit to try and argue with me on this one. I said most games don't run on Linux (fact), and you did nothing to dispute that. |
I'm going to assume you have no idea what I was talking about in my prior point.
So here.
http://appdb.winehq.org/
It allows for almost 21 thousand windows games and programs to be run in Linux.
Linux also has DOSBOX which allows you to run about 5,800 games that ran in Microsoft's DOS/Windows.
You also have other platform emulators for platforms such as Playstation.
Barren of games? Hardly.
| adriane23 said: 4) Your logic here is banking on a lot of happy path situations in favor of PC gaming for your statement to even be remotely true. First, you're assuming people arte early adopters of consoles and will pay the launch price, but the majority aren't, so $800 for two generations of consoles is a stretch. An $800 PC from 2005 won't be able to play much of anything in 2013 and beyond, so your notion of playing gamers for two console generations makes no sense. And you bring up upgrading, but you're dismissing that you have to spend money to upgrade even if you sold old parts, so that $800 PC is no longer $800 is it? Mentioning online multiplayer fees is a bit of a stretch when this is about hardware, but you have a valid point here. Though, you can just wait for deals for Xbox Live Gold or PS+. |
Actually, $800 is a conservative number, after you buy a couple extra controllers, pay for online access, buy a few rediculously expensive games... And taking into account the Australian console launch price... They are generally 50% or more compared to that $400 figure for a launch console.
The Xbox Live and PS+ deals are also laughable, using them as a comparison point to PC sales is entertaining to say the least.
Lets take the Mirrors Edge sale on Xbox Live, it's $4.94 on Xbox Live today.
A few years ago, I bought the game from Steam for $1 (It was 90% off), that's almost a 500% price difference.
Steam discounts thousands of games at any one time during sale time, with discounts as large as 90%.
Lets not forget how crazy the humble bundle gets either.
Currently the most heavily discounted game on Xbox Live right now is "Shank 2" at 75%, an arcade game, the rest are only 50-67%, hence why it's laughable.
| adriane23 said: 5) I made two points here, so I'm not sure what you're stating is my opinion exactly. If you're saying that it's my opinion that you should be trying to outperform consoles and not match them, then no shit. I never said it was a fact or mandatory did I? But trying to price match consoles with a PC build is silly because it's pretty much impossible, which is a fact. Lastly, I don't understand why you brought up sacrificing graphics since the whole point of this thread is about a Digital Foundry article about getting the same performance (this includes graphics) in your PC as next gen consoles. |
No it's not fact.
Want to match a PS4 for less?
It's *really really* easy.
Buy a Core 2 Quad machine second hand for $50-$100, overclock that sucker to 3.6ghz, drop in a Radeon 7870 and you're probably looking at $300 for the lot, throw in mantle to make up for the CPU deficiency and you're set for years.
The irony is that the Core 2 Quad was released 6 years ago and overclocked can still handle most games today just fine.
www.youtube.com/@Pemalite
