| Scisca said: I do not stop thinking when I post here, but I see you are so humiliated and stressed, that you don't even start doing it. Look, I'm gonna explain it to you as simple as possible, though I really doubt you're gonna understand. I'm affraid at this point it's too hard for you to embrace the fact that 2+2=4, but I'm gonna try either way. This is what our conversation looks like: You: Vita won't outsell GG. To sum up - I don't care about what you wrote in that sentence. I really can't say it more clearly. I have never responded to it, I have never touched that matter, be it the importance of indies or the strenght of 3rd party support in the West. I'm ignoring it totally as absolutely irrelevant. On the other hand, you keep grinding in the mud and cling to the ridiculous statement that I don't understand the meaning of the word "if". It's really pathetic, you know this? Is it really too much for you to understand that I don't care about this argument of yours AT ALL! It can go either way for all I care. I have never made a single claim in this matter, as it doesn't matter at all in this argument, it bears no weight at all and I don't want you to take this argument into the shady zone of judging the importance of indies and 3rd party support. It is pointless. I really can't say it more clearly, but I still get the feeling you won't understand. I'm sorry to bring it to you, but you are nowhere near to being "the bigger man" over here, Shrek. You also happen to be the one who started the ethnic banter. Moreover, I'm absolutely sure you know next to nothing about my nation, and whatever you think you know is wrong. This time it's nothing personal - I have Canadian friends and know for a fact you don't know sh*t about Poland or other Central European countries. You have used something against me? Hahaha! So far you are only using things against yourself, but whatever... At least we agree that right now Vita is suffering from PS4 getting all the love in the West. It's just that I believe they could return to Vita if they wanted to in the future, when PS4 dominance is secured, by relegating their old handheld-focused studios or setting up new ones, while you think it's impossible. Fair enough. To the lunacy issue... I think I've already proven last time who has saled to the wide ocean of lunacy? Seriously, you totally ignoring that GCN part of the conversation makes me lauch so hard at you that you can't even imagine. The word "clown" is always gonna come to my mind whenever I see your nick/avatar from now on :) This cowardly reaction to me catching you on a completely bullsh*t rant tells everything about your personality. Oh, a word of advice - don't call people trolls, you can get banned for it over here. I'm not gonna report you, you are way too pityful for me and I'm obviously gonna take the high road here, but if a mod sees your posts, you might get in trouble. Just like you went crazy and humiliated yourself with the GCN rant, you humiliate yourself again with the PS3 vs. X360 comment. You put me in the group of PS3 fanboys from 2007-2008? Buahahaha!! 1st thing - I have joined this forum on the 24th of October 2012. 2nd thing - I have earned my first ever Playstation trophy on the 2nd of December 2012. I haven't owned a single console (be it Sony or not) back in 2007 and couldn't care less about this whole console war. D'oh! You've totally failed again! Just like you do with your predictions in this thread or with this sweet little conversation. To your Vita argument, I'm gonna repeat this again. The West doesn't matter AT ALL. Even if retailers in NA stop selling Vita will it influence Japan and cause Sony to pull it from the shelves there? Hell no! Vita is doing well enough in Europe to validate shelf space there so far as well. Also, I couldn't disagree more about the 2014 lineup being abyssmal. In fact it's totally the opposite - there are so many good games releasing this February and March that it's impossible to buy all these great games and Vita owners have hard time picking the most important games to buy first. The coming months are just jam-packed with games. You are not being realistic. You have no idea what you're talking about and just don't understand that Japan couldn't care less about what's going on in the West and Sony won't kill it there even if Vita fails in the West. PSP is the best proof here. It's been dead in NA for years - so what? PSP was still massive in Japan with huge number of great games coming out all the time and is still selling surprisingly respectable numbers in Europe, even though the software support here has been dead for years. This should really make you think very hard - maybe for the first time in this thread. Vita is secured in Japan and isn't going anywhere, no matter what happens in the West. It is selling well and gets more and more games. Japanese devs couldn't care less what people in NA do, they care about their own market and Vita is already established there. Sony killing it there makes no sense and if you really believe that retailers will deny shelf space to the second best selling console in the country... Then I just drop my case - there is no point talking to you. You think Vita's strong position in Japan won't last long because...? Hmmm... Let me think... Is it because they have already quite a few big games coming there? Soul Sacrifice Delta, Soul Sacrifice 2, Gravity Rush 2, Freedom Wars, Monster Hunter Frontier, Persona 4 spin-off and many other games. Or maybe is it because developers making Vita games there report sales that surpass their expectations and get huge sell-through rates? Is it because PSP multiplats sell much more on Vita and even some PS3 multiplats sell better on Vita? Hmm... I guess it might be a bit of an ego issue for you, but you have to accept that you guys in NA just don't matter at all in the quest for 10.6 mil Vitas sold, neither does it matter for Japan or even Europe what you guys do with Vita, sorry. Vita will sell enough in Japan to get pass GG at this point. It will keep on selling in EU as well, which only makes this an even safer bet and your claim that much more absurd. |
Stressed and humiliated? You can even intelligently debate your argument. Secondly, it takes you several days to a week to be even able to come up with a response, while I reply to you within a matter of hours. I understand that you must be dealing with some sort of remedial difficulties but this is just ridiculous.
Your little summary was rather pathetic and completely inaccurate as well. First of all had you clearly even bothered to pay attention to the point of this thread withouth coming into it all butthurt, you would have noticed that I gave the possibility and the numbers to show a scenario where it is very possible that the Vita would not outsell the GameGear due to either being discontinued or retailers pulling units off of the shelf.
Going by year over year Dec 11-12, and Dec 12-13 as I stated earlier Vita has only gained a margain of 7% YoY sales. Considering this will be the peak year for the Vita, everything else as I had advised will be in decline which the Vita will be lucky to see a 15% increase at best. Therefore by it's fourth year in Japan, had you read my other posts, with it being non existant in the EU/NA at that point, it would be easy to see a scenario where the PSV was discontiued as it is highly likely that Sony is pushing production along as quick as possible in order to get another handled out there to maintain relevant in the handheld market.
As for the indie comment. You were the one who went into a hysterical little rant due to the fact that you can't read properly. I clearly stated if you were implying about 3rd parties. Not you are. I've tried to explain that to you over several posts yet you continue to bring this up and go on about it. It's becoming absolutely ridiculous and I believe that you've gone beyond the point of embarassing yourself. You need to stop bringing it up. It's just making you look even more foolish each time you do. Get over, Let it go.
In summary, you've attempted to twist my words in order to justify your absurd arguments, while completely failing to provide anything relevant. You would have most likely been better off copying and pasting other's responses in this thread instead of your own as at least some of them managed to provide an intelligent debate. What's pathetic is that you continue to bring up the 3rd party comment. You obviously don't understand the word if and what it implies and should try taking an English class before making posts on an English forum. You claim you don't care yet you have now brought it up several times and we're not even halfway through your long bewildered rant. It's as if you've become completely obsessive over it to the point where I am becoming a little concerned. You need to relax, take a breather and just let it go.
Yes I am being the bigger man. Deal with it. I never started any ethnic banter. You were failing to understand the grammar I had used regarding 3rd party and due to the fact you are from a country that does not speak English as a first language, I simply implied that you learn how to read it properly, which after reading your obsessive comments regarding the 3rd party comment, I was correct. You were the one who made the statement regarding Canadians. I simply retorted back with the fact that you should refrain from this due to the laundry list of Polish jokes. If we were to apply those stereotypes to your responses, they don't seem so far fetched.
Yes, I did use something against you, you gave a response that justified my argument, thank you :) Vita is suffering and will not recouperate, especially in the West. Sony abandoning it or retailers removing it from there shelves is a plausible scenario. By the time Sony takes the focus off of the PS4 (if the even plan on doing that) in order to save the Vita, it will be too late.
No, you have not proven anything. Basically anything you've indicated about my personality or demeanor is a complete indication of the person you are. It's not very hard to see past that. "Shakes Head" If your going to make a pathetic attempt at insulting me and name calling, I would highly and yes, highly suggest that you learn to spell correctly. This rant itself is pitiful! I'm a clown? Yes, that must be it. Coming from the guy who can't even provide a single intelligent response to his arguments. I mean what I stated about your account. It's very clear and would be worth the ban to point it out. Oh and by the way, the lunacy part does apply to your comments, which very easy to see.
Yes, I am grouping you in with those fans as it is not very hard to judge the type or lack of mentality that you are working with based on what you have stated. It's also irrevelant when you purchased your first Sony console or when you joined the forum for that matter. You are in the same spirit of those people who couldn't get it through there head that it wasn't going to happen and who made baseless arguments that didn't support any facts whatsoever. Therefore it is reasonable to make that comparison. I didn't fail. I made an accurate statement. The predictions I made are within the reason of plausibility. The people who provided reasonable arguments are only predicting themselves ltd sales of 13mill (a few said 15).
To reach substantial enough sales in order to continue production, the West does matter. They need N.A and Europe. There is no ego involved, it is simply a fact. The Japan argument you keep tirelessly bringing up is not going to matter. It's not like the PSV is hitting the ball out of the park over there. YoY, it's still is fairly abysmal in comparison to the past generation of handhelds. This is a country where handhelds dominate. You can say whatever you want to help you sleep at night but the fact remains is that compared to previous years, the announced Vita lineup is not as strong as before. It's jam packed all right, with indie titles and small 3rd party releases!
I am being realistic and this is a scenario that could very well happen. You cannot compare the PSP with the Vita. That would be like comparing Wii with the WiiU. They've both managed to fail in following up to their predecessor and as a result have seen some of the lowest numbers in each respective groups history. PSV is nowhere in the same league as PSP and has nowhere near the same support that it received, even in Japan. So to try and compare does not justify nor validate your Japan argument. You should actually look up numbers and game releases before coming up with your responses. It's about as secured as the Wii U. With the continuing drop in sales in the West,Sony would be foolish not to have a successor waiting in the gates and spending time on that to get out the door. Unless they drop out of the handheld market completely. Even if it continues sales and manages to pass the GG, it won't be by very much and still be considered a failure. It is far from being a strong position. Those games you've listed are not a strong as previous years. Also give a list of all the multiplat games where the game sold better on Vita than PS3, I'm interested to see this.
Ego? Far from that. Your delusions of grandeur are truly becoming amusing at this point. EU is not selling that well and is almost in a similar decline YoY as N.A. Those regions matter and if they continue there decline this early in the each respective region, then you can bet your ass it will affect Japan. You bring up the PSP but it doesn't justify your argument. Your forgetting that the PSP had fairly reasonable sales throughout it's life time (sold over 50 million in it's first 4 years). The PSV is going into 3rd year and it hasn't even cracked 8 million. It's not an absurd guess, it's a scenario that as stated it possible if YoY sales continue to decline. I wait to see what ridiculous counter argument you come up with next week.
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