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selnor1983 said:
theprof00 said:
selnor1983 said:
theprof00 said:
@selnor
But there arent ten ms fans
I can name 10 just off the top of my head
Selnor
Darkrequiem
Endimion
Kirbs
Kowen
Jaywood
Nightwing or whatever his name is
Jlmurph
Sales
Seece
Darth tigris
Gergroy
Fallen
And many many more


It was a figure of speech.

Look Microsoft werent to blame on this occasion. Thats all there is to it. It wasnt Microsofts contract. We havent seen the contract between Microsoft and Machinima. The one posted online is between Machinima and their Content Providers. Im absolutely sure Microsoft push the boundries like any company. But this whole fiasco with the youtube thing was crazy stupid. It helps for people to have all the facts first.

And which figure of speech would that be? Hyperbole? Irony? Detractio? Litotes?

I agree there is no proof of MS involvement and Machinima may simply be contractual to function independently.

My only point is don't try to influence the site founder about how his site is going to lose demographic because of the Sony fans. You have an agenda to push, then do it elsewhere, otherwise you're participating in the very same behavior you are accusing others of.

Easy fella. Ive been much longer than you. I know the demographics with all due respet much better than you. Point is there was easily 10x more Xbox fans back then here. And they are still fans ( I have them on Xbox Live ), Ive tried to get them to come back. But they wont. They say its to far gone. Is it? I dont know. But I wasnt trying to influence the site creator at all. He almost never posts on VGC. For him to post about this imo shows just how bad this has all become. Id be happy to continue this further in PM. But as you say I dont want to carry on here and appear like Im trying to influence anything. PM me if you want.

"I've been here much longer than you"
Selnor: created Sept 07- 77months
Prof: Feb 08- 72 months

5 months is 6% difference.
I guess that's another figure of speech? I'm guessing it's definitely hyperbole then, though I find it to be irony.

Secondly, vgc was fucking toxic when I joined here. Rampant Sony hate everywhere, people trying to push HD-DVD simply to hurt BR and ps3 sales, people making threads DAILY about Sony music or pictures DRM, Bluray rates, mocking left and right. Oh and those goddamn 599$ threads about ps3. Hilarious now that xb1 is literally the same price as ps3 at launch, and not a thread about it, not even from Sony fans. Not even Nintendo fans were so brutal. When people said "Launch aligned, ps3 is doing better", xbox fans would laugh, post trolling pictures, and straight up mock them. Xbox fans right now get far less hate than I remember Sony fans having to put up with. Oh, people are hating on MS because they have kinect surveillance contracts? Oh people are hating because MS is making contracts with devs that hold back the quality of ps4 versions? Just fanboys hating! Sony got trashed for literally everything and anything, even things like failed past products. "I'll never support Sony, not after they failed with minidisc, and beta, you just can't trust their products". I've actually read dozens if not hundreds of posts like that back in the day.

History lesson:
Everything changed when Sony released the ps3 slim, at the new low price point, which spurred sales. Darthdevi was probably the one person that changed the landscape, attracting more sony fans to the site with his great threads, and positivity, and the whole "B_E_L_I_E_V_E" thing, which of course was also derided with xbox fans writing "D_E_N_I_A_L" or "M_A_K_E B_E_L_I_E_V_E" or can't have "B_E_L_I_E_V_E without L_I_E".

Then as time went on and ps3 kept closing the gap further and further, xbox fans left, because they talked a lot of shit, and now were getting harassed back in revenge. It's only natural that as Sony has its best launch ever, and is besting the box, that Xbox fans are leaving.

ANyway, I digress. This is my last post about it, I won't continue longer. I opted not to pm this conversation because you got to say your piece out in the open, and I should too.