Can Vita Outsell Sega's GameGear LTD?

[Nirvana_Nut85]

Scisca said:

Nirvana_Nut85 said:

Scisca said:
You seem to be on a mission, but no matter how much BS you put out, it won't change the fact that Vita will easily go past 11 mil and sell much more. Your talk about it being discontinued is lunacy. It's the second best selling console in Japan. We all know they no longer care about home consoles, so PS4 won't be a massive PS2-type success there and Sony just needs a handheld there. And it has got one that Japanese are buying and that gets more and more support from 3rd parties. Why would they wanna kill it? Only you might know.

The West is a problem, NA particularly, but I hope they can fix it with a big software push after they secure the PS4 dominance. The console will be cheap, memory cards will be cheap, they will have a chance of a second start. Sony can make a PS3-type turn if they want to.

Mission? No, I'm simply responding and debating my argument. Ad hominems do not justify your argument by claiming lunacy and b.s. If you considering indie support as strong 3rd party then your previous implications of my character would obviously be more suitable to describe you.

I don't know how to even respond to you. Your whole argument is based on wishful thinking and delusions of granduer. Sony can turn it around if they want to???? You in all seriousness just wrote that?Yes, that must be it. Sony executives are sitting there saying" Well guys, the vita is an abhorrent failure and draining money but we do not feel like selling a lot of games/hardware at this point, maybe in the future we will but until then lets burn some more cash".

A pointless argument, one might add. I have never said anything about indies, so stop implying things on me and then calling me out on them (yeah, that's how low you just went, lol), but I've written quite a lot about Japan - the topic you seem to ignore, but is the jist of the matter and alone proves your claim absolutely wrong. Vita may stop selling at all in the West and still get past 11 mil.

Yes, that is exactly what is happening right now. You know why? There is this thing... What's it called? Aah! PS4! And it has the potential to dominate the market the next 6-8 years, but it won't happen on its own. It has the momentum now, but Sony needs to push PS4 and not give XO any slack - and that's exactly what's happening. All Western studios are working hard on PS4 games. And I have no idea where you're pulling the argument about burning the cash right now from. If anything, it prevents them from doing it right now. They have a choice on their hands - fight back with the Vita in the West now, but allowing XO to crawl back and maybe get a software advantage OR turn PS4 into almost a PS2 level monster, while letting Vita wait a bit more, until it gets cheaper, the memory cards get cheaper, the PS360 games (the biggest competition to Vita's games) stop selling, thus being less attractive to 3rd party devs, who don't want to make massive PS4-level budget games. It took time for the PS3 to take off, but it did. If Sony decides it wants to turn Vita into a success - it is still able to achieve that.

Believe it or not, but the second scenario is exactly what is happening. Vita support is cut to ensure the success of PS4 in the West. PS4 has to leave the XO in the dust now, while Vita in all honesty can wait a bit more, as it gets good support either way. Nothing that's a mega-bomb on the market, but enough to keep owners happy. I just hope they return to it, as this awesome piece of hardware deserves more love.

A pointless argument? Yes, because you are clairvoyant and can see the furture. That must be it? Anyways, If you look at the "large support" Sony is receiving next year, it is from indie developers, not major 3rd party studios and one could say in comparison to even the likes of the Wii U, Vita has seen very little support. Hence, that is why I said "if you are considering" not "you are". Reading the comment properly will save you from embarrasement in the future.

I haven't ignored Japan and you haven't really provided a very intelligent argument whatsoever. You acting as if your assumptions are fact, which they are not. We are all going off assumptions about the state of the Vita to make an educated guess as to what exactly the sales will be. I'm using data from 1st full year of Vita sales to 2nd full year of Vita sales. In Japan that is Dec 11- Dec 12, Dec 12 - 13. Which as I debated earlier with others only had a marginal increase of 7%. I am predicting at best it might see another 15% for Dec 13- Dec 14 (peak year) and significantly drop after that. They are not going to keep a system that is moving abysmal numbers in E.U & U.S (at current decline rates Vita will be lucky to see 700K combined for both this year) while it is only managing to move another million and change in Japan so early in it's lifespan (Sony as we know relies on software to make up for hardware losses). The software sales are terrible for the most part. It is a money pit that really is not worth further investment for Sony hence why we have not heard any major 1st party releases. 

PS4 will not do anything whatsoever for Vita support. There was a minor bump but that is all you are going to see. Regardless of price drops the majorty of 3rd party will not risk investing in a console that has not proven itself, which the Vita has not. It's dead in the water. Your more likely to see 3rd parties jump on the Wii U ( which probably wont happen) before they begin to heavily invest in the Vita again. I'm not trying to be rude but your whole argument is based on wishful thinking, not even educated guesses.When you are selling a system at a loss, without significant software sales, you are burning cash. It's not difficult to comprehend. 

Regardless of how it performs, games will still be released. Dreamcast managed it as others did. Vita is the Dreamcast of handhelds and will have a difficult time managing to pass the LTD sales of GameGear. This whole argument is based on plausibilities. In the age we live in consoles/handhelds do not gain new life several years after release. 360 was an exception but that was due to an add on. Vita could very well outsell GameGear, but as someone earlier pointed out (unless I misread) 13-14 mill would be the most likely LTD sales at the end of it's lifetime.