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vivster said:
kupomogli said:
vivster said:
supernihilist said:
PScollector said:
Vegeta, and SSJ2 trunks.


Trunks never goes SSj2


What show have you been watching?

http://images.wikia.com/dragonball/images/archive/b/b0/20090406083435!Trunks_(Super_Saiyan_2nd_grade).jpg

That's Super Trunks.  He's not Super Saiyan 2, he just powers up more.  More muscle, less speed.  Gohan is the first one to reach Super Saiyan 2.

Those are both SS2. Gohan's is just optimized. At least that was my understanding after reading the manga multiple times. Turns out it is officially defined as you said.

Trunks at that point (after Vegeta was knocked out) went Ultra Super Sayian, not SS2

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Ultra_Super_Saiyan

In a nutshell, its stronger than Ascended Super Sayian (Vegeta) but slower because of the wtf huge muscles.  Also for every transformation, it gobbles ALOT of energy.  So even tho they become more powerful, their energy reserves are already starting to suffer.

Remember Goku even explained both Ascended and Ultra to Gohan, but lacked BOTH the power and speed to defeat Cell.  Hence Goku's theroy and eventual achievement of the Full-Power form, which solved the excess muscle mass and the energy drain, and was more powerful to boot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVoPq5O4oy0



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