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Michael-5 said:

Anyway I think this debate is over, you've already agreed Nintendo is an innovative leader, so I was right the whole time . Plus if you think things like an ethernet port is innovative, well.....you don't understand what that word means.

The manual for the console lists them as shoulder buttons, and is the first reference (ever) to them, your opinion does not change that fact.

Michael-5 said:

Plus if you think things like an ethernet port is innovative, well.....you don't understand what that word means.

Again, if including an ethernet port and hard drive to a console, is not innovation, neither is "adding two more buttons" (your claim of nintendos innovation for controllers).

You can dodge reality all you want, you spouted a bunch of nonsense across several posts, got corrected on much of it with hard facts and flat out denied much of it, everyone else reading the discussion can see that so your attempts to bait me in to stooping to your level pass by amusingly.

Also you can keep telling me you corrected me all you want, but the only instances where you actually tried were instances where you tried to refute reality, by posting more incorrect information.

The proof is in the pudding dear boy, and since much of your pudding has been quoted, it's all there, black and white for everyone to see, you have through your evasion already admitted you were wrong on much of what you originally posted (by engaging in counter arguments, which contridict your initial claims) so as you say this convosation is over.

Have a nice day.