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JWeinCom on 14 January 2014
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lucidium said:
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lucidium said:
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Sat on their hands? Hardly. Many are playing Mario Kart, Skylanders, Just Dance, and Disney Infinity on their Wiis.

Your "many" and my "many" mean dramatically different things, I think you'll find a large majority of them are now playing on tablets, phones and other consoles.

I know it can be hard to accept that people "switch sides", but its reality, not everyone is as ferrociously loyal as vgchartz forumers.

Obviously people switch sides, the drop from PS2 to PS3 is proof enough of that. But the "everyone just used it for a month, never touched it again" cliche is simply out of touch with reality. If it were true, we'd be seeing a 2-4 attach rate, and Wii software wouldn't have outsold Wii hardware this latest week by 21:1.

Sometimes I think you use the attach rate and software to hardware ratios as an easy way of getting out of discussions, without actually understanding the numbers youre spouting.

That's the only figure that is in any way related to satisfaction of owners... It's the most relevant detail in this case.  If the Wii was a fad and people were interested in it only for a couple of years you wouldn't only see a decline in hardware, but also a massive decline in software.

An average number does not translate to universal acceptance, its a console that was on sale for 8 years, detracting the game included with virtually every console sold, thats less than 1 game per year for each unit sold, and consider this, if someone bought a console and decided within a few months they no longer wanted it, many would have traded it in towards something they did want, that used console would then be sold again, and the person that bought it likely to pick up a game or two in their lifetime with the console also - with that in mind, your stance on the situation is EXTREMELY narrow minded, as narrow minded as the cliche you keep attacking.

S when these people are trading in Wii's, what are happening to the games they bought?  These should be on the market as well, which should lead to lower softare sales. If their is a massive amount of used hardware, there should also be a massive amount of used software. 

Hardware figures don't support you at all on this.   Wii hardware outsold XBox 360 and PS3 until 2010 and was competitive with the two in 2011.  IF each Wii owners only used the console for two months, you'd expect hardware to fall at a much faster rate as the market was flooded with used hardware.  You'd also expect an absolute massive amount of Wii software flooding the market.  The shelves should be covered with used Wii games which should drive down their price, and should lead to incredibly poor sales for older Wii consoles.  This was not the case. Wii games (nintendo's in particular) maintained their value, hardware outsold competition until 2010.  Nothing suggests a massive second hand market of Wiis.

That console would go on to sell a few more software units, but the fact would remain the person that originally bought it, ditched it, potentially within a month - this cycle could, and possible did fairly often, repeat multiple times, the software sales would be high as a result, but the software sales wouldnt change the fact the console was abandoned, would it?

There is simply nothing to suggest that people sold their Wiis within months.  None of the data we have supports that AT ALL.  If that were the case, you'd see software for the back catalog fall due to used software, and you'd see a very steep decline in new hardware sales far before 2012.  Are you suggesting that the Wii outsold the XBox 360 and PS3 and each Wii had about 3 owners?  So... about 300 million people owned a Wii at one point in time?  The data does not support that. 

If anything the high software sales compared to hardware sales suggests that a lot of it was down to second hand unit owners buying games, which suggests a lot of users did not stick with their purchases

In that case, the PS3 was traded in WAY more than the Wii cause it has a higher tie ratio.  The XBox 360 is more traded in then both systems since it has the highest attach rate.  Congrats.  You've just proved that the Wii was the most loved console of its generation.

Also, given that the hardware has been discontinued, by your own admission, comparing hardware to software sales means absolutely nothing.

If software is still moving, that means that people are still interested in the machine they own.  Which was the point being made.  And the Wii has not been discontinued. O_o... It's been minituarized, but it still exists.

one day the stock levels will drop to sub 100 units, and software will still be seeing 50,000 or so units worldwide, that would be a 1:500 ratio, does that mean anything worthwhile? no, not at all.

That means that despite a lack of new owners, people who already own the system are still playing it and still buying new software.  To make it more apparent lets exagerrate.  Suppose 1 Wii was sold and 5 million pieces of software were sold.  That means that people who already own the Wii are buying lots of games, which means they likely are happy with their purchase. 

 

Again, there is absoultely nothing to suggest that the second hand market you claim exists did.  In fact, all evidence is to the contrary.  The long sales life of Nintendo software, the rate of hardware sales, and the continued value of Nintendo's software all go against your theory.