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MTZehvor said:
vivster said:
MTZehvor said:
vivster said:
chakkra said:
MTZehvor said:
Call me crazy, but I'm going with Wii U here. I expect the PS4 to pass it at some point, but I think Nintendo's 2014 lineup (Donkey Kong, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros) is enough to delay that into 2015.

 

I won't call you crazy. Those are pretty good games and I can see why you have faith in them; but in my opinion the PS4 has an stronger line up of games for 2014, even if it is just quantity wise.

Just to name a few: The Witcher 3, Infamous: Second Son, Destiny, The Order: 1886, The Crew, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Metal Gear Solid, Thief, Wolfenstein: The New Order, Driveclub, Dying Light, Final Fantasy XIV Online, The Elder Scrolls Online, Minecraft (I don't know what  the fuss is with this game but people seem to love it).

 

Now, I know some of these games are not gonna be PS4 exclusives, but they are games that are NOT gonna be on the WiiU, and are games that would make me go for the PS4 instead of the WiiU (if I were to buy another console on 2014) well, except for Minecraft.

 

^this.

Are Nintendo fans really that blinded by the handful of great titles for the WiiU that they ignore the great lineup the other consoles have?

I mean have a look at this and show me how much anticipated the WiiU games are in comparison to PS4/X1 titles.

http://www.vgchartz.com/preorders/41637/USA/

 

OT: PS4>X1>WiiU

I'm certainly not ignoring what the PS4 has, there are some fantastic titles coming its way which will definitely boost sales. I wasn't trying to make some argument as to whether the Wii U's upcoming lineup is better than the PS4 or not, simply that the Wii U has some titles that will keep the PS4 from catching up with it for a while.

Consider this; the last iterations of Super Smash Bros, Mario Kart, and Donkey Kong sold roughly 50 million units combined. A sequel to each of these is being released at some point in 2014. I'm certainly not going to suggest that these titles will move 50 million consoles, but I believe they'll be enough of a boost to keep the Wii U's lead intact until 2015.

That may very well be but please consider that PS4/X1 currently have a bigger draw than WiiU regardless of the upcoming titles. They have the buzz going for them and the great lineup of games with a broad appeal will only make them stronger.

WiiU on the other hand is pretty much lost and buried under the hype of the new consoles that it is actually detrimental to their sales. The great titles definitely will push them to a "normal" level of sales and above but I don't think it can reach PS4/X1 levels of sale. It might beat them in the first weeks of the release of the titles and it might even beat them in the holidays but it just won't be enough to catch up the overall gap.

It would be interesting to see if it can actually keep up over the year and I'd like to see it staying ahead of the X1 but as of now I'm just not seeing it happening.

The end of spring will tell us more.

I think you're definitely selling the Wii U short.

First off, the "bigger draw" (I'm assuming that this refers to the fact that they were launched recently) that the X-Box One and PS4 have is fading, and it's going to get even more distant the further we get from the consoles launch dates. While the PS4 is still outselling the Wii U by a longshot, the Wii U has already overtaken the X-Box One in weekly sales. The trend of Wii U outselling the X-Box One may be short lived, it's enough to indicate that the "newness" factor of the two later arrivals to next gen is fading fast. In other words, even if the XB1 reverts back to outselling the Wii U in the long run, it's not going to be by enough to overtake a lead of two million sales by the end of 2014.

Secondly, the Wii U has a large price advantage, particularly over the X-Box One (you could legitimately buy two Wii Us for the price of one XB1), which is certainly enough to make some customers pause before buying either system.

Thirdly, the Wii U's 2014 isn't exactly shabby. I don't want to get into a console war here, but it's got enough titles to appear like a worthwhile investments. Looking at exclusives, Bayo 2, Wii Fit U, X, and the wild card that is Hyrule Warriors are all expected to be released in 2014 along with the trio of SSB, MK8, and DK. I think the console can support itself enough between the big three releases with those titles in order to stretch its lead past 2014.

And lastly, I cannot stress this enough, the Wii U's 2014 lineup is filled with its biggest sellers. Even if the PS4 lineup had a better collection of games, the Wii U's lineup has three sequels to series that routinely sell past 5 million copies per game, and in the case of MK and SSB, it's closer to 10 and 8 million respectively (throwing out the outliar that is MK Wii, which would put things closer to 15 million). On the other hand, while the PS4's lineup certainly has quality titles, it's much more iffy in terms of how previous installments have sold. Infamous Second son, arguably the biggest exclusive in Sony's lineup, averages around a little over 2 million sales per installment. The Witcher has yet to sell over a million on any console, and Dragon Age averages just over a million on Sony consoles. The rest of the major titles are new games, so I guess we'll have to see how they sell, but I'd have some difficulty imagining them pushing consoles.

Obviously, MGS and Destiny will both be heavy hitters, but I'd honestly take Smash Bros and Mario Kart against those two any day.

My point in saying all this is while these are certainly all quality titles, I'm not sure they're quality titles that will sell systems, or at least sell enough systems to make any noticeable difference.

First, the WiiU didn't outsell the X1. This was revised by VGC and X1 is now comfortably in front in that week. Also PS4 outsold it by a large margin.

Second, if 2013 and the holiday season say anything then the price advantage currently does nothing with many people even claiming the price for the WiiU is much too high while the PS4 is actually considered relatively cheap for a launch console of that caliber.

Third, I think we can argue about this all day. I may be selling the WiiU and the games a bit short but you certainly oversell them. I wouldn't take the Wii numbers as any indication for the WiiU.

We will see end of spring how far the gap is between PS4 and WiiU and then we can argue again if it is possible for WiiU to close the gap when it's already at a disadvantage. If the one unit I will buy of the WiiU next year doesn't help it then nothing will^^



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