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theprof00 said:
Shinobi-san said:
theprof00 said:
Shinobi-san said:

If Sony and Panasonic could figure it out then chances are so could the other manufacturers.

In any case having better tech than the competition isnt Sony's problem (dont know about Panasonic) especially when it comes to TV's. Realistically this wouldnt have done much to help either of them. At the end of the day its the same issues with selling TV's.

Doesnt really matter though since they failed.

*sigh* the only thing you're right about is that it doesn't matter. Everything else, completely wrong.

Look, you like Sony. You're a friend to me. Don't make me take off the gloves. :P

No, im completely right. If you think having a tech advantage is going to help Sony in any significant way with regards to television then you grossly misunderstand what the issue is with Sony and why they lose to competitors like LG and Samsung.

And please dont ever associate myself with you. I might be pro Sony but not every single post of mine spins things to make Sony seem better.

Go ahead take your gloves off. I always beat bias people. Its the ones who call things the way they see it that i dont mess around with on here

This joint venture was always about finding a way to beat the Korean manufacturing process. Sony and Panasonic (And Optronics-should you care for a more in-depth history lesson) were working on new mass-production techniques in order to give them a leg up on the koreans, who a) have a better currency for international trade; b) are already able to make larger and cheaper screens with sheer strength of money.

Japan was already behind in manufacturing technology. Get it straight, the only thing being worked on here was manufacturing. I don't know why you would start chiding me about Sony not needing tv technology, that wasn't even being discussed. Had you been paying attention to anything that's been said (or had you any clue about what you were talking about) you'd know that this partnership was never specifically about OLED. It may have well been about peanut butter. The point is that it was about manufacturing of the OLED, and yes, manufacturing processes can be patented, and no, another company cannot simply "catch up".

You make it seem like this is a warner brothers cartoon show replete with Acme rockets and portable holes, which interestingly enough mirrors your level of professionalism in response. Your answer? 'Oh the Koreans will find a way to do it better...as usual.' HA! You really are hilarious. You postulate that Sammy and LG will go out of their way to develop new technology for a market they already dominate. Brilliant.

It would be like saying Samsung is coming out with a new console next year and Nintendo will then make a new system to keep up with them. Nonsense.

Call it like they see it? The mantra of an ignorant man.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and bias? You're the one trying to downplay the significance of this. "Oh well it wouldn't have mattered anyway". Yes it would have mattered. This is not good news for Sony. This is not relief. This is bad news for their television department. The failure of this venture means that Samsung and LG are going to control the OLED market completely, which is soon to be the biggest television market in the world for the next 5-6 years at least. I'm the realist here. I have facts, perspective, and understanding of the content material. You have jokes.

If Sony and Panasonic's venture worked out then they would be able to make OLED more affordable on the market correct? That is what i meant by "better tech". I wasnt "chiding" you about anything. You make it seem like my point of view was that OLED is some new thing that hasnt been done...which i never said once. You just assumed that.

Your whole argument is also based on the assumption that Samsung/LG (who are actually doing okay in televion and as a whole) isnt investing in reducing their manufacturing costs. Something which you have no proof of. Its only logical to assume that all the major players would invest in reducing costs...not just Sony and Panasonic. I mean seriously? all those smart words and long paragraphs and you didnt think of that? Youactually thought the opposite.

"You postulate that Sammy and LG will go out of their way to develop new technology for a market they already dominate"

That is almost exactly what i postulate. And its a better postulation that yours The only part i disagree with is the "go out of their way" part which just doesnt make sense. I would imagine it would be apart of their normal processes.

Besides all that though even if this worked out for Sony it still doesnt solve their television issues and that was really the crux of my point. Simply having a tech advantage (ie. cheaper OLED TV's) doesnt solve Sony's problems. And that's why i disagreed with your original comment:

"Had they developed the tech required for mass-production things would have been a lot easier for both companies."

Not sure why you reacted so agressive to my post perhaps it was because i mentioned "Sony failed" in a very blunt way. I dunno. None of my posts was looking for some sort of argument i was simply giving my opinion which you somehow already marked as "completely wrong".

And yes prof you are a pretty well known bias poster around here. Not sure what you want me to say about that...



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