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Hynad on 23 December 2013
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fatslob-:O said:
Hynad said:
fatslob-:O said:

Still don't understand my point ... Ok then I'll just have to explain one more time. It's simply better to work with 2 APIs then just using what every console manufacturer will give you. You simply won't get that much more performance out of GNM compared mantle therefore it is your solution that makes no difference. Mantle would also benefit some PC users as well sooo mantle would make a bigger difference in general than just using some proprietary API that's exclusive to a console. 

Better to use 2 API? PS4 developers have both option. Using the common library, or coding direct to the metal, and obviously a mix of the two.

Quoting AMD here: "Mantle is NOT in consoles. What Mantle creates for the PC is a development environment that's *similar* to the consoles, which already offer low-level APIs, close-to-metal programming, easier development and more (vs. the complicated PC environment). By creating a more console-like developer environment, Mantle: improves time to market; reduces development costs; and allows for considerably more efficient rendering, improving performance for gamers. The console connection is made because next-gen uses Radeon, so much of the programming they're doing for the consoles are already well-suited to a modern Radeon architecture on the desktop; that continuum is what allows Mantle to exist."

So here, I wonder why you're bringing this to the topic. It seems like the only thing you do around here is talk about how your feel the PC is superior than everything. Even when the topics has no relevence to that. You bring Mantle in the topic, but... Why? Mantle was created so that the PC architecture become "similar" to consoles. Not the other way around. So again? Why bring this up here? 

@Bold Whoa there, you actually think I'm some PC elitist LOL.

Mantle was definitely created for the purpose to get more performance out of the GCN cards on PC but at the same time it doesn't mean that it can't be used for other devices like consoles and I'm pretty sure sony is more lenient on whatever developers want to use. They allowed opengl ES on the PS3 so why couldn't they do the same for the PS4 ? 

@Bold: Indeed. Your comments everywhere on VGC, and your signature there, points to that effect.

Open GL ES was supported from day one by the PS3 as one of its official API. Mantle isn't officially supported by the PS4. Could they add support for it? Probably. Is it really needed? I don't think so. Especially when you hear devs express how easy it is to develop for the PS4. Yeah, some devs like Slightly Mad may have some learning curve to go through before they're totally comfortable with the architecture, but the tools will improve as the gen goes on, making it easier for devs like them.