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Turkish on 23 December 2013
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vivster said:
Turkish said:
vivster said:
Actually the PS3 lost. It would've even lost if it outsold the Wii. The 2 generations before it had no competition but last gen it created strong competition due to general idiocy by itself.
So yeah, PS3 lost big time, not only a huge amount of market share but also consumer trust.


The OP is talking about PS4 and xbone though. You make 0 sense claiming Sony had no competition in the last 2 gens. PS1 was their first and unproven console, they had no names or devs like Nintendo and Sega, Sony beat both of them to a pulp. PS2 was expensive compared to others, it was 499 euros at launch here in Europe. The Gamecube was 99 euros a year after it launched and lost terribly.

I also dont get what you mean with PS3 losing consumer trust lol. PS3 is outselling both 360 and Wii in HW and SW. If consumers didnt trust the console it wouldnt be the leading last gen console.

Ok you got me, didn't read the first post properly. Part because it's early here and part because it's weird to talk about "won" console wars that just started.

Also you are making my point. PS1 won its gen, PS2 won it even more with vitually no one to stop it. But then the PS3 came along and dumped everything  with poor planning. There wouldn't even be an Xbox today if Sony had got their shit together and launched the PS3 properly and in time. With last gen PS lost its edge. Before there was only ONE console out there for parents to get, but now there are 2 equally viable options. PS lost a big chunk of market share and their complete trust, part of which is that huge security breach from 2011.

Just catching up to a competition that you yourself made into one is not a win in my book.


We both agree that Sony fucked up with the PS3 launch, it damaged them, it damaged customers with its pricetag, it damaged developers for being so hard to develop for(Japanese devs not jumping to HD era as soon as the West), it damaged the games it got(inferior ports, announced exclusives going multiplat (AC was supposed to be PS3 exclusive)).  360 wouldnt have half its sales if PS3 wasnt so expensive.