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JoeTheBro said:
kitler53 said:
as far as i'm concerned here is, in total, the list of innovations:

ps4 - Gaikai
xbone - HDMI in

both - suspend/resume, video capture.

everything else is obvious, evolutionary, or too pointless to bother listing. these consoles are 99% the same outside of gaikai and HDMI-in right now and for the foreseeable future.

Yeah if people think neither is innovative that's a ok too. Even though I said they were both super innovative in the op, I'm happy as long as people acknowledge they're in the same ballpark.

grabbed from wikipedia:

"The term innovation can be defined as something original and, as consequence, new that "breaks in to" the market or into society. One usually associates to new phenomena that are important in some way. A definition of the term, in line with these aspects, would be the following: "An innovation is something original, new, and important - in whatever field - that breaks in to (or obtains a foothold in) a market or society."


i agree with this definition.  people throw the word innovation around too much now-a-days.  very few things truely deserve the lable of "innovative".  that's actually kind of the point.  innovative ideas are the big important ones that changes everything. ps4 and xbox one are not really all the innovative.  ..in part because they both did the same thing on a majority of the innovations (suspend/resume  and video caputure) which fails the "original" criteria.

most of the arguments i've watched about innovations mostly focus on the how things are implemented not the what was imlemented.  that's argument is already off point..