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Mr Puggsly said:

I keep hearing about lighting in GT, yet it looks so bland to. Especially in night driving, it looks like PS2 lighting. Perhaps lighting is subjective.

GT has may have more accurate cars and tracks, but that doesn't determine superior graphics.

If you see both games side by side, Forza has more stunning visuals. The smoother frame rate also helps.

I don't know the lighting in Forza looks like toys... artificial... maybe it is the color pallete... always I have the feeling to play a toy car made by rubber.

And I have the both games close here... it is a windows separating my room from my friend room (we live in the same house)... and GT5 looks better... the premium cars looks way better... just enviropment looks better on Forza 4 but the overall look is still better on GT5.

The framerate is only noticiable in two tracks after the patch 2.0 too... it is solid 60fps for 90% of the time... DF even did a comparision between 2.0 and 1.0.

BTW GT6 enviropment looks way better than GT5 too.

PS. Maybe you are just comparing some PS2 exported track in GT5 or PS2 exported cars.