kazadoom said:
If this is true, then what happened from water to land, they just developed lungs over time, then flopped around on the ground until legs appeared over time? What did birds do when only one wing developed, wait around on the other one flopping around until they got what they needed? This is utter stupidity. If it is a slow process then show me something now that is changing from one species to another. There ought to be some proof of something out there. Where are all these mysterious transitional forms? |
Kazadoom,
Questions are always good in science and I will not call you stupid. I may use the term ignorant but in the term it was meant to be used as. Basically you are talking about something you have not studied or studied with a biased opinion.
I will start with birds. Birds did not just appear one day and say hey I will fly. Nope infact feathers are found on dinosaur fossils from creatures that did not fly. Pteradactyls flew with webbed wings the same typed of webs that you find on ducks as far as we know today which could also support flight. The process is slow and it is chaotic meaning that many failed species have come about and gone. One rule of Evolution is that a species needs to fill a niche that is unique. Meaning if a mutation did aoccur it will most likely fail and not be able to continue hence the most basic and simple understanding survival of the fit. If you can't eat or get to your food you can not reproduce.
Also with regards to the development fo lungs. Even today there are amphibous animals. Several billion years ago the world was a different place with massive tides that would go up and down over 100 feet in depth. This meant many sea fairing creatures would die when left stranded by a tide however if amphibous they would live and allow reproduction. As time went on creatures that were susceptible to this situation would begin to out number creatures that didn't in this area. Bacteria are very easily able to adapt to this type of situtation as they not only reproduce quickly and tend to eb more resiliatn. Which brings me to my next point.
Tubercolousis, Syphilis, Ecoli strain number 57, Thrush(A mycoloid[AKA fungus]), Strep(rod based bacilli) and staph (Cocci or sphere shaped bacteris)species have changed significantly in the last 20 years to overcome the introduction of antibiotics. Viruses change even faster HIV has already evolved into several different strains that complecate treatment. Without an understanding of evolution this would of taken longer to notice.
No while on topic this is Evolution versus creationism there really is no conflict unless you are a particular type of literalist. Evolution does not state a theory of Abiogenesis(though Darwin most likely felt that way). Evolution does not state the a theory about the creation of the solar system or the Universe. It states that species change and that the changes come and go with extincitions and enviroment.
I will say this about ID though. the left a C for ceationism when they changed the word doc. It isn't science because it is not testable or observable. Being a scientist does not make you atheist(in fact most are more religous than you would suspect).
However creationism has some question to answer for me as it taught in Fundemental schools. The Universe is clearly not 5,000 or even 10,000 years old. Mankind is though(I veiw genesis as the start of the Jewish people and later christians and muslims). Creatures existed millions and billions of years ago. We see stuff every day that the light we see takes longer to get to us than that. We even have man made structures older than that. Writings that are older than that as well.
Half lifes are older than that and are very observable and even though this outside of evolution it is within the realms of creationism. If you don't believe in Half lifes of atoms than just forget about nuclear power being able to supply energy or even the sun being able to supply energy for that matter.
Finally many species show similiar characteristics and can not breed. Their DNA shows similiarites as well. Pygmy chimps are very close to humans even in behavior.
At last none of this disproves the existence of God. Even the Big Bang theory does not. However most of interpretations of creationism are counter to Relativity, Atomic theory, Plate Tectonics(you know earthquakes and volcanoes) and Quantam Mechanics(the very same theories that allow me to comminicate to you through my computer). I say interpretation because that is exactly what is an interpretation of a translated text. One that I believe and studied and even learned some ancient hebrew and Koine to do so. Don't go down a super highway in an Ox Cart. I believe that god explains stuff at the level we can understand at the time and has given us the ability to understand and observe the world as it works.
